KU Turner Gill has lost his fkng mind - Page 8

**ChiTown** · 09-29-2010, 03:02 PM

Who gives a shit about cell phones, but a man needs pussy. Just sayin....

In Kansas, Turner Gill Becomes the Wizard of Odd

9/29/2010 12:39 PM ET By Clay Travis

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Clay Travis
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Want to be out after 10 at night in the presence of a woman? Good luck, if you're a football player in Lawrence, Kan. Correction, make that a college football player in Lawrence; high school gridders have greater freedoms these days than anyone on the Jayhawks.

The "no women after 10 p.m." rule is one of first-year head coach Turner Gill's rules for the Kansas football team. The rule isn't just for public interaction, you also violate it if you're in the presence of a woman at her place or yours. While Gill has acknowledged that proving a violation is difficult, according to KUSports.com, "he (Gill) explained the penalty would be more severe if a KU player was involved with an incident and it was discovered that the player had broken the policy."

More severe?

What if the player isn't doing anything at all but hanging out with a member of the opposite sex? And 10 at night? Ten? Coaches are fond of saying nothing good happens after midnight -- which is completely wrong, by the way. Expanding that cliche to encompass nothing good happening before the nightly news is over? Most nursing home residents are living scandalous lifestyles compared to the antediluvian restrictions that Gill is foisting upon his players.

Is Gill aware coed dorms exist? What happens then? Do players have to show up every morning at five to run wind sprints as penance for having the temerity to live in the same building with unmarried women? Already, despite the opposite-sex prohibitions, Kansas has lost to North Dakota State in its home opener. Can you imagine how badly the Jayhawks might have lost to North Dakota State if players had been allowed to speak with women after 10?

I can, it might have been 9-3 instead of 6-3.

In order to pull off this road win and counteract the female prohibition at Kansas, North Dakota State's entire team must have pledged to be celibate for the rest of their lives. A small price to pay for a Saturday win.

How can you expect a college student to behave like a man when you insist on treating him like a child?
Turner Gill's expansive directives aimed at controlling his players every waking moment are the latest examples of football coaches becoming more and more like totalitarian dictators each year. Freedom of communication grows for college students? Football coaches push back in the opposite direction, limiting those freedoms in a misguided attempt to tighten the reins of program discipline. Facebook? Some coaches are banning it. Twitter? Boise State's Chris Petersen began the banning rush in the offseason. Now, Kansas doesn't want its football players around women at night. What's next, players not allowed to have cell phones?

Too late.

Kansas players can't do that either, not in the 24 hours leading up to a game, anyway. That's because the Kansas coaching staff confiscates the players' cell phones and won't return them until after the game. I'm not making this up. They actually take the phones. A parent or family member needing to reach your child in the event of emergency? You call the director of football operations.

Keep in mind, these are grown-ass men. Not seventh graders. Not adolescents. Grown men who could serve their country overseas, grown men who may be parents themselves, grown men who are being treated like infants unable to make their own decisions and handle their own priorities. How can you expect a college student to behave like a man when you insist on treating him like a child? As countless parents have already learned, stifling personal freedom doesn't lead to growth, it leads to greater dependence.

Football coaches want their players to be gridiron monks, the Dalia Lama with a 425-pound bench press. They want automatons walled off from the rest of the world who believe that the full import of their lives begins and ends in the 60 minutes they spend each week on the football field. But in today's era doesn't that control defeat the entire purpose of attending college? If, as the NCAA constantly argues -- most of our athletes are going pro in something other than sports -- then how does it help athletes to wall them off from the surrounding community of students?

Nor does this even consider the legalities at play here. Can a coach even have a written rule that would limit contact with women after 10 at night? Can a coach demand that a player relinquish his physical property for a period of time if that player doesn't want to? As a lawyer, I don't think so. If a player challenged these rules, I think he'd be able to prove that they were beyond the scope of his scholarship acceptance.

Indeed, it's a true shame that Kansas' faculty has allowed restrictions like these to take root for any students, regardless of who they are or what group they're associated with. Imagine if, for instance, a student association on campus had a written policy that all members, under threat of penalty, could not speak to members of the opposite sex on campus after 10 at night. Would that pass without faculty comment? I doubt it.

Restrictions like these represent the antithesis of what collegiate life is supposed to entail. Most students learn more from each other than they ever do from their books. Most men learn more about women in college than they've ever learned before. Indeed, by restricting student interaction with the opposite sex to limited hours, Gill is sending the message to his team that women are the enemy, modern day Bathshebas, existing only to tempt and lead them astray from their true purpose on the campus.

Which is to play football games.

And that's ultimately the real issue here, all of these restrictions strip away the fig leaf of academia, that these players are regular students who just happen to play sports. The reality is something much different of course, these are football players who just happen to be students. By placing these restrictions on his players Gill proves that even as a 48-year-old coach he still hasn't learned the most important lesson a football player can learn.

There is life outside of football.

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/201...wizard-of-odd/

**alanm** · 09-29-2010, 09:32 PM

What are the parameters of the rules imposed? By that I mean is it for all year? Or like I suspect the night before the game? The author rails off into hysterics and doesn't even mention either or.

**alanm** · 09-29-2010, 09:35 PM

Ok, I read further. It's for the 24 hrs leading up to the game.
Really, It's not that unreasonable. And it's only 1 night a week.

**Shogun** · 09-29-2010, 09:36 PM

Well, Most fighters aren't allowed to **** or masturbate 24 hours leading up to a fight, so I can see where he's going.

Bambi · 09-29-2010, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanm

Ok, I read further. It's for the 24 hrs leading up to the game.
Really, It's not that unreasonable. And it's only 1 night a week.

Exactly, it's really not a big deal.

The hate for KU runs deep throughout the land. When you're on top these are the kind of things that get written.

Pitt Gorilla · 09-29-2010, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Exactly, it's really not a big deal.

The hate for KU runs deep throughout the land. When you're on top these are the kind of things that get written.

On top?

Bambi · 09-29-2010, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Hey now it's not those players fault they hired a worse coach.

Not USC's either.

Well, at least one that doesn't know how to cheat as well...

Bambi · 09-29-2010, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

On top?

The University of Kansas had more combined victories in football and basketball in an academic season than any other school in the history of college sports in '07-'08.

Think about that for a second.

I'm not saying the football team is as good as they were a couple years ago, not by a long shot... But these are the kinds of residual effects that happen to a program that has brought so much winning.

I've never heard of this Clay Travis but from the looks of his website it appears he's a Tennessee fan.

Talk about two schools that have gone in completely different directions the past 10 years.

I think that the tone the article is written makes it quite obviously that the boy doesn't like KU.

No one at Kansas cares. If making the team not have girls over the night before games helps them win then so be it.

Maybe Tennessee should try something similar.

**DaKCMan AP** · 09-30-2010, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Many schools? Which "many" schools?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Boise St can't twitter

What does Boise St.'s twitter ban have to do with KU's after-10pm female ban? You still haven't provided any examples to backup your fictional "many" schools claim.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanm

Ok, I read further. It's for the 24 hrs leading up to the game.
Really, It's not that unreasonable. And it's only 1 night a week.

The way I read it, the cellphone confiscation is 24hrs leading up to a game, not the 10pm-female-ban.

**DaKCMan AP** · 09-30-2010, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson

The University of Kansas had more combined victories in football and basketball in an academic season than any other school in the history of college sports in '07-'08.

While it was impressive, I'll still take 2 Championships and 48 total victories over 1 Championship, an Orange Bowl win, and 49 total victories.

**bevischief** · 09-30-2010, 06:47 AM

Who thought he was a good idea again?

Extra Point · 09-30-2010, 06:48 AM

NOTHING reflects journalistic excellence like using the phrase: "Keep in mind, these are grown-ass men."

Mens' athletic dorm is called that for a reason. It's Gill's program, and it's coach's call. The players are there to play football and hit the books, not to hit on girls.

teedubya · 09-30-2010, 06:50 AM

Plus, add that there are NO NAMES on the back of the jerseys... a little jayhawk. I don't know hardly any of the players names. That is how you learn what the players names are... by watching the games, and reading the name on the jerseys after plays.

All-in-all, Turner Gill is HUGE FAIL.... and I'm not pleased with the hire at all.

So, excuse me for the KU football apathy over the next 2.5 years until he is fired.

teedubya · 09-30-2010, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Extra Point

NOTHING reflects journalistic excellence like using the phrase: "Keep in mind, these are grown-ass men."

Mens' athletic dorm is called that for a reason. It's Gill's program, and it's coach's call. The players are there to play football and hit the books, not to hit on girls.

That's great and all... but who is going to WANT to come to BYU East? We will be getting 1 star and maybe some 2 star recruits.

Better hope they can coach up the choir boys... and make men out of non-cussing, non-pussy getting, non-cell phone having, anonymous players who will NOT be going to the NFL. This is a recruiting disaster.

**ChiTown** · 09-30-2010, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson

The University of Kansas had more combined victories in football and basketball in an academic season than any other school in the history of college sports in '07-'08.

Think about that for a second.

.

You live that ONE magical season like it represents your past and future. It's the basis for many of your conversations and the justification for many of your points. That is why it is LOL funny to the other 99.99% of the members of this BB.

In other words................Congrats on being alive and witnessing when Haley's Comet was in the sky!

Frazod · 09-30-2010, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown

You live that ONE magical season like it represents your past and future. It's the basis for many of your conversations and the justification for many of your points. That is why it is LOL funny to the other 99.99% of the members of this BB.

In other words................Congrats on being alive and witnessing when Haley's Comet was in the sky!

I would also note that since Haley's Comet exists in the weightless environment of outer space, it's almost as light as KU's 2007 football schedule.

09-29-2010, 03:02 PM
ChiTown Stroking to the SB Champs! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Flatlands of Kansas Casino cash: $-521038	Turner Gill has lost his fkng mind Who gives a shit about cell phones, but a man needs pussy. Just sayin.... In Kansas, Turner Gill Becomes the Wizard of Odd 9/29/2010 12:39 PM ET By Clay Travis AText Size Print this page\|EmailShare on FacebookShare on TwitterShare on DiggShare on Lifestream Clay Travis Senior NCAA Writer Want to be out after 10 at night in the presence of a woman? Good luck, if you're a football player in Lawrence, Kan. Correction, make that a college football player in Lawrence; high school gridders have greater freedoms these days than anyone on the Jayhawks. The "no women after 10 p.m." rule is one of first-year head coach Turner Gill's rules for the Kansas football team. The rule isn't just for public interaction, you also violate it if you're in the presence of a woman at her place or yours. While Gill has acknowledged that proving a violation is difficult, according to KUSports.com, "he (Gill) explained the penalty would be more severe if a KU player was involved with an incident and it was discovered that the player had broken the policy." More severe? What if the player isn't doing anything at all but hanging out with a member of the opposite sex? And 10 at night? Ten? Coaches are fond of saying nothing good happens after midnight -- which is completely wrong, by the way. Expanding that cliche to encompass nothing good happening before the nightly news is over? Most nursing home residents are living scandalous lifestyles compared to the antediluvian restrictions that Gill is foisting upon his players. Is Gill aware coed dorms exist? What happens then? Do players have to show up every morning at five to run wind sprints as penance for having the temerity to live in the same building with unmarried women? Already, despite the opposite-sex prohibitions, Kansas has lost to North Dakota State in its home opener. Can you imagine how badly the Jayhawks might have lost to North Dakota State if players had been allowed to speak with women after 10? I can, it might have been 9-3 instead of 6-3. In order to pull off this road win and counteract the female prohibition at Kansas, North Dakota State's entire team must have pledged to be celibate for the rest of their lives. A small price to pay for a Saturday win. How can you expect a college student to behave like a man when you insist on treating him like a child? Turner Gill's expansive directives aimed at controlling his players every waking moment are the latest examples of football coaches becoming more and more like totalitarian dictators each year. Freedom of communication grows for college students? Football coaches push back in the opposite direction, limiting those freedoms in a misguided attempt to tighten the reins of program discipline. Facebook? Some coaches are banning it. Twitter? Boise State's Chris Petersen began the banning rush in the offseason. Now, Kansas doesn't want its football players around women at night. What's next, players not allowed to have cell phones? Too late. Kansas players can't do that either, not in the 24 hours leading up to a game, anyway. That's because the Kansas coaching staff confiscates the players' cell phones and won't return them until after the game. I'm not making this up. They actually take the phones. A parent or family member needing to reach your child in the event of emergency? You call the director of football operations. Keep in mind, these are grown-ass men. Not seventh graders. Not adolescents. Grown men who could serve their country overseas, grown men who may be parents themselves, grown men who are being treated like infants unable to make their own decisions and handle their own priorities. How can you expect a college student to behave like a man when you insist on treating him like a child? As countless parents have already learned, stifling personal freedom doesn't lead to growth, it leads to greater dependence. Football coaches want their players to be gridiron monks, the Dalia Lama with a 425-pound bench press. They want automatons walled off from the rest of the world who believe that the full import of their lives begins and ends in the 60 minutes they spend each week on the football field. But in today's era doesn't that control defeat the entire purpose of attending college? If, as the NCAA constantly argues -- most of our athletes are going pro in something other than sports -- then how does it help athletes to wall them off from the surrounding community of students? Nor does this even consider the legalities at play here. Can a coach even have a written rule that would limit contact with women after 10 at night? Can a coach demand that a player relinquish his physical property for a period of time if that player doesn't want to? As a lawyer, I don't think so. If a player challenged these rules, I think he'd be able to prove that they were beyond the scope of his scholarship acceptance. Indeed, it's a true shame that Kansas' faculty has allowed restrictions like these to take root for any students, regardless of who they are or what group they're associated with. Imagine if, for instance, a student association on campus had a written policy that all members, under threat of penalty, could not speak to members of the opposite sex on campus after 10 at night. Would that pass without faculty comment? I doubt it. Restrictions like these represent the antithesis of what collegiate life is supposed to entail. Most students learn more from each other than they ever do from their books. Most men learn more about women in college than they've ever learned before. Indeed, by restricting student interaction with the opposite sex to limited hours, Gill is sending the message to his team that women are the enemy, modern day Bathshebas, existing only to tempt and lead them astray from their true purpose on the campus. Which is to play football games. And that's ultimately the real issue here, all of these restrictions strip away the fig leaf of academia, that these players are regular students who just happen to play sports. The reality is something much different of course, these are football players who just happen to be students. By placing these restrictions on his players Gill proves that even as a 48-year-old coach he still hasn't learned the most important lesson a football player can learn. There is life outside of football. http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/201...wizard-of-odd/
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alanm Feeling Victorian Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Nebraska/Wyoming/Colorado Casino cash: $-113564	What are the parameters of the rules imposed? By that I mean is it for all year? Or like I suspect the night before the game? The author rails off into hysterics and doesn't even mention either or. __________________ It bears repeating, ** Herm, Pioli, Haley, and Crennel for ing up my franchise for a goddamn decade. Buehler 445**
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09-29-2010, 09:35 PM	#107
alanm Feeling Victorian Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Nebraska/Wyoming/Colorado Casino cash: $-113564	Ok, I read further. It's for the 24 hrs leading up to the game. Really, It's not that unreasonable. And it's only 1 night a week. __________________ It bears repeating, ** Herm, Pioli, Haley, and Crennel for ing up my franchise for a goddamn decade. Buehler 445**
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Extra Point MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Prairie Village, KS Casino cash: $10004900	NOTHING reflects journalistic excellence like using the phrase: "Keep in mind, these are grown-ass men." Mens' athletic dorm is called that for a reason. It's Gill's program, and it's coach's call. The players are there to play football and hit the books, not to hit on girls. __________________ "Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits." --Satchel Paige
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09-30-2010, 06:50 AM	#117
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $8993042	Plus, add that there are NO NAMES on the back of the jerseys... a little jayhawk. I don't know hardly any of the players names. That is how you learn what the players names are... by watching the games, and reading the name on the jerseys after plays. All-in-all, Turner Gill is HUGE FAIL.... and I'm not pleased with the hire at all. So, excuse me for the KU football apathy over the next 2.5 years until he is fired.
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