Chiefs Cassel 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in downfield passing. - Page 4

Hammock Parties · 05:26 AM

We debated Cassel's downfield passing in another thread earlier this week. I said I would wait for the splits to get updated before I compared him to the rest of the league, and here are the results (completion percentage, TD/INT):

Cassel is 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in the NFL in completion percentage on pass attempts over 10 yards.

I threw out the names in red because they have fewer than 40 attempts.

Henne - 58.6 1/1
Rivers - 54.5 7/5
Schaub - 54.4 4/4
Fitzpatrick - 54.3 7/3
Romo - 51.7 4/2
E. Manning - 50.6 8/4
Young - 50.0 6/1
Kolb - 50.0 2/2
Flacco - 49.4 10/4
Ryan - 49.3 7/2
P. Manning - 48.4 8/1
Rodgers 48.3 10/8
Orton - 47.5 7/3
Favre - 46.9 5/6
Palmer - 46.5 4/3
Garrard - 46.4 4/5
Hasselbeck - 45.2 3/3
Anderson - 45.1 1/2
Bradford - 45 5/5
Sanchez - 44.8 6/2
Cutler - 43.2 3/4
McNabb - 42.8 5/
Brady - 42.0 4/4
Cassel - 41.5 4/2
Brees - 41.4 4/5
Smith - 40.2 4/3
Wallace - 38.2 3/0 (34 att)
Moore - 38.2 3/5 (34 att)
Gradkowski 38.1 2/4
Freeman - 34.2 3/2
Clausen - 30.4 1/1 (23 att)
Hill - 29.5 4/2
Campbell - 25.8 1/2 (22 att)

For comparison, Cassel's downfield passing history:

2009 - 38.8 percent, 8 TD, 13 INT
2008 - 40.2 percent, 12 TD, 8 INT

Notes:

1. Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski suck. We have no business losing to the Raiders.

2. Brees will bump Cassel to 25th in short order.

3. Sanchez, bitches!!!

4. Flacco is a ****ing stud.

5. Impressed by Chad Henne and fearful of Fitzpatrick.

CrazyHorse · 10-29-2010, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Favre, Manning and Brees were all in Conference Championship games last year.

Brees - 57%
Manning - 51.5%
Favre - 48%

Who won the AFC West?

Phillip Rivers. 49.7%

Who had the four best records in the league?

Indianapolis
New Orleans
San Diego
Minnesota

Now let's take a look at the other division winners and their quarterbacks.

Dallas - Romo - 49.4%
New England - Brady - 46%
Cincinnati - Palmer - 47.5 %
Arizona - Warner - 56 %

Must be a coincidence.

Last year and this year are toltally different.

This year the division leaers are NE, Pitt, Ten, KC, NYG, Chi, ATL and Sea.

Only 3 QBs on the list are in the top 10. 4 in the top half.

So judging from last season to this season, there is no consistent pattern.

So yes, it's a coincidence.

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 08:11 AM

The season isn't over.

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I'm sure that as soon as Polian sees this he'll arrange an off season trade of Manning for Fitzpatrick or Henne.

Polian? Bill Polian?

How dumb do you have to be to confuse Pioli with Polian?

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Weak sauce.

I show you an entire year's worth of data proving a correlation between downfield passing and winning, and that's what you come back with?

Some of you are dumb as ****.

Here, how about this for a stupid ****ing correlation? This mother****er won more games than anyone in NFL history:

This mother****er was second:

And this mother****er is third:

Now go **** yourself.

2bikemike · 10-29-2010, 08:34 AM

Personally I think one of the most important things Cassel has done well is protecting the ball. He also has not been knocked around near as much as last year.

He is never going to be a great QB. But he has been playing pretty well. I think that Weiss has a way of making his QB's better. He has certainly done that with Cassel. I am willing to give Cassel the benefit of doubt and hope he can take a few more steps toward being better.

That being said this team has appeared to me to always be on the lookout for someone who can do a better job at all positions. I don't think its any different with the QB position. I am hopeful that the organization will continue to improve this team in ways that will have us excited for years to come.

Marcellus · 10-29-2010, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

I show you an entire year's worth of data proving a correlation between downfield passing and winning, and that's what you come back with?

Some of you are dumb as ****.

Here, how about this for a stupid ****ing correlation? This mother****er won more games than anyone in NFL history:

This mother****er was second:

And this mother****er is third:

Now go **** yourself.

Montana has 4 rings, Brady has 3. How do they compare to Favre and Marino on throwing down filed?

Sassy Squatch · 10-29-2010, 08:38 AM

He WAS talking about Bill Polian. Is there a Manning or Fitzpatrick on our team?

Now you, good sir, can insert your own penis into your own anus/mouth/nose/earhole or any other hole you can think of, as long as it's your own.

Chiefnj2 · 10-29-2010, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Polian? Bill Polian?

How dumb do you have to be to confuse Pioli with Polian?

I didn't confuse them, rah-rah-reerun.

Henne and Fitz are in the top 5. Peyton's not close to Henne. Henne must be better. Polian would be smart to trade Peyton to Miami for Henne.

JD10367 · 10-29-2010, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 2bikemike

Personally I think one of the most important things Cassel has done well is protecting the ball. He also has not been knocked around near as much as last year.

He is never going to be a great QB. But he has been playing pretty well. I think that Weiss has a way of making his QB's better. He has certainly done that with Cassel. I am willing to give Cassel the benefit of doubt and hope he can take a few more steps toward being better.

This. His protection has been better (in another thread there's a comparison between Cassel and Brady and IIRC Cassel has 5 sacks to Brady's 12). Brady has not looked that great at many points this season, and it's usually when he's under the most pressure. Again, as has been the case for a season and a half now, Cassel's problems can't ALL be blamed on the O-line, but when they play better it helps a lot.

The bottom line is this: playing defense and running the ball is a fine way to win a Super Bowl. Ask Brian Billick, who won one with Trent freakin' Dilfer. Or the Colts, who only finally won a SB when they played a little D and ran the ball (the Great Peyton was the least important player on the field that day IMO). Or even Elway, who finally only won SBs when he had a running game. I don't think the Chiefs will mind if Matt Cassel gets mentioned along with Doug Williams and Jeff Hostetler and Trent Dilfer as "one of those mediocre QBs who won a Super Bowl".

Garcia Bronco · 10-29-2010, 08:40 AM

Gay statistic. What's his W-L record this year? Oh yeah....first place in the West.

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I didn't confuse them, rah-rah-reerun.

Henne and Fitz are in the top 5. Peyton's not close to Henne. Henne must be better. Polian would be smart to trade Peyton to Miami for Henne.

Wow, should have read that post more carefully.

*wipes egg off face*

Sassy Squatch · 10-29-2010, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Wow, should have read that post more carefully.

*wipes egg off face*

Im surprised more people didnt call you out on that oversight.

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2010, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Montana has 4 rings, Brady has 3. How do they compare to Favre and Marino on throwing down filed?

You've got to be shitting me.

JD10367 · 10-29-2010, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Im surprised more people didnt call you out on that oversight.

Translation: "Wow, a lot of people must have you on ignore".

CrazyHorse · 10-29-2010, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367

Translation: "Wow, a lot of people must have you on ignore".

Or just dont have the energy to fight stupid on so many fronts.

10-28-2010, 09:41 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $830478	Cassel 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in downfield passing. We debated Cassel's downfield passing in another thread earlier this week. I said I would wait for the splits to get updated before I compared him to the rest of the league, and here are the results (completion percentage, TD/INT): Cassel is 24th out of 29 quarterbacks in the NFL in completion percentage on pass attempts over 10 yards. I threw out the names in red because they have fewer than 40 attempts. Henne - 58.6 1/1 Rivers - 54.5 7/5 Schaub - 54.4 4/4 Fitzpatrick - 54.3 7/3 Romo - 51.7 4/2 E. Manning - 50.6 8/4 Young - 50.0 6/1 Kolb - 50.0 2/2 Flacco - 49.4 10/4 Ryan - 49.3 7/2 P. Manning - 48.4 8/1 Rodgers 48.3 10/8 Orton - 47.5 7/3 Favre - 46.9 5/6 Palmer - 46.5 4/3 Garrard - 46.4 4/5 Hasselbeck - 45.2 3/3 Anderson - 45.1 1/2 Bradford - 45 5/5 Sanchez - 44.8 6/2 Cutler - 43.2 3/4 McNabb - 42.8 5/ Brady - 42.0 4/4 Cassel - 41.5 4/2 Brees - 41.4 4/5 Smith - 40.2 4/3 Wallace - 38.2 3/0 (34 att) Moore - 38.2 3/5 (34 att) Gradkowski 38.1 2/4 Freeman - 34.2 3/2 Clausen - 30.4 1/1 (23 att) Hill - 29.5 4/2 Campbell - 25.8 1/2 (22 att) For comparison, Cassel's downfield passing history: 2009 - 38.8 percent, 8 TD, 13 INT 2008 - 40.2 percent, 12 TD, 8 INT Notes: 1. Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski suck. We have no business losing to the Raiders. 2. Brees will bump Cassel to 25th in short order. 3. Sanchez, bitches!!! 4. Flacco is a ***ing stud. 5. Impressed by Chad Henne and fearful of Fitzpatrick. Last edited by Hammock Parties; 10-29-2010 at 05:26 AM..*
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2bikemike Born to Ride Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NWA Casino cash: $-1144623	Personally I think one of the most important things Cassel has done well is protecting the ball. He also has not been knocked around near as much as last year. He is never going to be a great QB. But he has been playing pretty well. I think that Weiss has a way of making his QB's better. He has certainly done that with Cassel. I am willing to give Cassel the benefit of doubt and hope he can take a few more steps toward being better. That being said this team has appeared to me to always be on the lookout for someone who can do a better job at all positions. I don't think its any different with the QB position. I am hopeful that the organization will continue to improve this team in ways that will have us excited for years to come.
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