Chiefs Grade the rookies. - Page 2

Ralphy Boy · 01-13-2011, 08:33 PM

How did they do?

Berry - B+. I was very excited about getting him and wasn't disappointed. He could have doen better but I think he was easily the best rookie safety and was as good as advertised.

McCluster C-. Could almost go with an Incomplete since I don't think they got out of him what Pioli & Haley intended when they drafted him. I'm inclined to think that he was playing injured. Not sure what the plan was for him going into the season, but it didn't work. I wasn't happy when we drafted him, but I'm not writing him off. I'll be curious to see what happens with him if Haley calls the plays next season. Could be that they just felt that they didn't want to put too much on the rookie.

Arenas - C. I expected more out of him as a return man. He didn't embarrass himself but he didn't impress.

Asamoah - Incomplete. Clearly he's talented, but he barely saw the field.

Moeaki - A. I was SO wrong about him being a wasted pick. Very happy that we have him. Still concerned that he'll have injury issues but at this point I think he was a steal.

Lewis B-. Did very well, given the spot he was drafted, but I wouldn't say he solidified his position as a starter.

Sheffield - Incomplete.

**banyon** · 01-13-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy

How did they do?

Berry - B+. I was very excited about getting him and wasn't disappointed. He could have doen better but I think he was easily the best rookie safety and was as good as advertised.

McCluster C-. Could almost go with an Incomplete since I don't think they got out of him what Pioli & Haley intended when they drafted him. I'm inclined to think that he was playing injured. Not sure what the plan was for him going into the season, but it didn't work. I wasn't happy when we drafted him, but I'm not writing him off. I'll be curious to see what happens with him if Haley calls the plays next season. Could be that they just felt that they didn't want to put too much on the rookie.

Arenas - C. I expected more out of him as a return man. He didn't embarrass himself but he didn't impress.

Asamoah - Incomplete. Clearly he's talented, but he barely saw the field.

Moeaki - A. I was SO wrong about him being a wasted pick. Very happy that we have him. Still concerned that he'll have injury issues but at this point I think he was a steal.

Lewis B-. Did very well, given the spot he was drafted, but I wouldn't say he solidified his position as a starter.

Sheffield - Incomplete.

Only thing I disagree with is that Berry was "easily the best rookie safety", as Earl Thomas had a very good year too. Being a Berry fan, though, I wish what you said was true.

Everything else spot on.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-13-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon

Everything else spot on.

Except for the fact that Asamoah played in 15 games filling in for Lilja & Waters and was often an "eligible" tight end.

He also started in place of Lilja in the Buffalo game and there was no dropoff in offensive production.

People that are stating at Asamoah "barely saw the field" clearly weren't paying any attention.

KurtCobain · 01-13-2011, 09:53 PM

I agree with Dane absolutely one hundred percent on the draft, but I disagree with Tucker.

**banyon** · 01-13-2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Except for the fact that Asamoah played in 15 games filling in for Lilja & Waters and was often an "eligible" tight end.

He also started in place of Lilja in the Buffalo game and there was no dropoff in offensive production.

People that are stating at Asamoah "barely saw the field" clearly weren't paying any attention.

fair enough on Asamoah.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-13-2011, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KurtCobain

I agree with Dane absolutely one hundred percent on the draft, but I disagree with Tucker.

Not a fan? I thought for being an undrafted free agent, he played well.

What don't you like about him?

-King- · 01-13-2011, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Not a fan? I thought for being an undrafted free agent, he played well.

What don't you like about him?

One thing is that I'm hoping that we have enough talent at WR next year that Verran doesn't even get the opportunity to catch 20 balls.

**DeezNutz** · 01-13-2011, 10:08 PM

Absolutely no way that fifth-rounder who played as well as Lewis did cannot be considered an "A."

Outstanding production based on realistic expectations.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-13-2011, 10:11 PM

Berry: A-

He was a B through the first 10-12 weeks, but he really picked it up towards the end

McCluster: D-

He had one nice punt return against a horribly inept coverage unit and then basically did nothing the rest of the year. He also seemed to have a hard time holding onto the ball. He's definitely not a running back, and I'm not sure he's much of a receiver either.

Arenas: B-

Performed his role well, but he wasn't exactly an impact player. He was barbecued last week. Was the better returner of the two midgets, but he wasn't exactly Devin Hester (despite some dumbass claims to the contrary)

Moeaki: B+

Really outperformed his draft position and stayed healthy after tearing his labia in camp. He may end up being a very poor man's Jason Witten, which is a really good pick

Sheffield: INC. Got his shit ****ed up in PS, but was completely invisible before that anyway.

Asamoah: C+. It would have been nice to see him get more run over the declining Ryan Lilja, who was consistently a weak link in the latter half of the season. Seemed to do well in unbalanced formations, though.

Kendrick Lewis: B. I think he may end up being another Sammy Knight type. Not an especially fast or athletic guy, but he's always in the correct spot. That said, he seemed to get dinged way too easily.

Miles · 01-13-2011, 10:13 PM

Pretty much agree with Dane's take on the class. As someone who saw a decent amount of McCluster in the SEC, I was hopeful he would have shown more this season even with his injury. He did have another very nice play outside of that return but largely disappointing.

Arenas surprised me a bit. Nice to see the draft comments about his ability at corner now look completely off.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-13-2011, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Absolutely no way that fifth-rounder who played as well as Lewis did cannot be considered an "A."

Outstanding production based on realistic expectations.

I agree but the reason I gave him a "B" was because he missed games due to injury.

Not surprisingly, three of the four games he missed were losses.

**BossChief** · 01-13-2011, 10:21 PM

A high ankle sprain to a player with DMCs specific skill set can be devastating.

Hopefully, he is able to recover to 100% by the start of next year and becomes the weapon he was looking like prior to the injury.

milkman · 01-13-2011, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon

Only thing I disagree with is that Berry was "easily the best rookie safety", as Earl Thomas had a very good year too. Being a Berry fan, though, I wish what you said was true.

Everything else spot on.

Earl Thomas played most of his snaps in a cover two shell, an easier assignment than Berry's, by far.

**DeezNutz** · 01-13-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon

Only thing I disagree with is that Berry was "easily the best rookie safety", as Earl Thomas had a very good year too. Being a Berry fan, though, I wish what you said was true.

Everything else spot on.

Mayock? That you, dude?

**DeezNutz** · 01-13-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I agree but the reason I gave him a "B" was because he missed games due to injury.

Not surprisingly, three of the four games he missed were losses.

Fair enough.

Ralphy Boy · 01-13-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Except for the fact that Asamoah played in 15 games filling in for Lilja & Waters and was often an "eligible" tight end.

He also started in place of Lilja in the Buffalo game and there was no dropoff in offensive production.

People that are stating at Asamoah "barely saw the field" clearly weren't paying any attention.

I said he barely saw the field but didn't intend it as a knock on him in any way. He looked good in limited duty. Is that better? He certainly was on the field less than all of the other rookies (except Sheffield) and its hard to give him a grade based on what little we saw.

01-13-2011, 08:33 PM
Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Grade the rookies. How did they do? Berry - B+. I was very excited about getting him and wasn't disappointed. He could have doen better but I think he was easily the best rookie safety and was as good as advertised. McCluster C-. Could almost go with an Incomplete since I don't think they got out of him what Pioli & Haley intended when they drafted him. I'm inclined to think that he was playing injured. Not sure what the plan was for him going into the season, but it didn't work. I wasn't happy when we drafted him, but I'm not writing him off. I'll be curious to see what happens with him if Haley calls the plays next season. Could be that they just felt that they didn't want to put too much on the rookie. Arenas - C. I expected more out of him as a return man. He didn't embarrass himself but he didn't impress. Asamoah - Incomplete. Clearly he's talented, but he barely saw the field. Moeaki - A. I was SO wrong about him being a wasted pick. Very happy that we have him. Still concerned that he'll have injury issues but at this point I think he was a steal. Lewis B-. Did very well, given the spot he was drafted, but I wouldn't say he solidified his position as a starter. Sheffield - Incomplete.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Berry: A- He was a B through the first 10-12 weeks, but he really picked it up towards the end McCluster: D- He had one nice punt return against a horribly inept coverage unit and then basically did nothing the rest of the year. He also seemed to have a hard time holding onto the ball. He's definitely not a running back, and I'm not sure he's much of a receiver either. Arenas: B- Performed his role well, but he wasn't exactly an impact player. He was barbecued last week. Was the better returner of the two midgets, but he wasn't exactly Devin Hester (despite some dumbass claims to the contrary) Moeaki: B+ Really outperformed his draft position and stayed healthy after tearing his labia in camp. He may end up being a very poor man's Jason Witten, which is a really good pick Sheffield: INC. Got his shit ****ed up in PS, but was completely invisible before that anyway. Asamoah: C+. It would have been nice to see him get more run over the declining Ryan Lilja, who was consistently a weak link in the latter half of the season. Seemed to do well in unbalanced formations, though. Kendrick Lewis: B. I think he may end up being another Sammy Knight type. Not an especially fast or athletic guy, but he's always in the correct spot. That said, he seemed to get dinged way too easily. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Miles MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $-1677600	Pretty much agree with Dane's take on the class. As someone who saw a decent amount of McCluster in the SEC, I was hopeful he would have shown more this season even with his injury. He did have another very nice play outside of that return but largely disappointing. Arenas surprised me a bit. Nice to see the draft comments about his ability at corner now look completely off.
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