Chiefs I've finally changed my mind about Todd Haley - Page 11

**RealSNR** · 11-22-2011, 12:15 AM

Ignoring his unimpressive W/L record as a head coach, it was apparent after tonight that the idiot has learned absolutely NOTHING about being a head coach in the NFL.

He knows nothing about gameday decisions. He goes for it on 4th down at times when the reward isn't worth the risks, and then turns into Herm's vagina when he should (like tonight in the first quarter).

Hiring Bill Muir was a ****ing shitfest.

Not replacing Lilja OR Weigmann in the past couple of games has been giving our shitty QBs no time to throw whatsoever.

Not figuring out how to stop Tim ****ing Tebow by simply PLAYING THE GODDAMN RUN.

Putting your team in the hands of a garbage player that not even amateur leagues wanted over a QB who could actually be better than feces

And there are so many more.

He's been at this position for three goddamn years, people. Most coaches, if they're any good, start to show flashes of brilliance by their 2nd year. In their 3rd year, they at the very least field a competitive team.

He's good at coaching and player development in the offseason? Newsflash: EVERY coach can find diamonds in the rough. Even Herm had a bunch.

Cassel is the first guy who needs to go. But Haley is a pretty ****ing close second. I'll be pretty pissed if we keep this jackass around next year.

philfree · 11-22-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Haley seems like a beaten man. I won't be upset if he is fired, but I also wouldn't be upset if he was kept around. Nothing really matters until the QB position is addressed. Pioli made a huge bet on Cassel and lost big. Now the franchise is in chaos because of it.

Kinda seems that way. He just doesn't seem the same. Maybe he got the Suck For Luck memo a month after it was sent.

GloryDayz · 11-22-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Kinda seems that way. He just doesn't seem the same. Maybe he got the Suck For Luck memo a month after it was sent.

Yeah, waaaaaaaay too late. Manning beat him to it AGAIN....

Rasputin · 11-22-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Kinda seems that way. He just doesn't seem the same. Maybe he got the Suck For Luck memo a month after it was sent.

Yea, & we are back to resorting to running the wildcat. The ****ing wildcat.

htismaqe · 11-22-2011, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

No chance. Our lines on BOTH sides are weak. Also , not much quality depth. To become a contender, you need good coaching. That's where the Chiefs fail. On game day, Haley is terrible.

The line play is being WAY over-analyzed.

**HemiEd** · 11-22-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

I think that if Haley had ONE competent quarterback on the team, most of us would have a different opinion of him.

Amazing how that works.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-22-2011, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

I kinda see us like the 49ers last year in a sense. We've got good young talent, but we've got coaches who don't necessarily know what they want this team to be and how to coach them to be that team. The most damning thing to me about Haley is that we have no identity. Some of that is injuries, but I lay a lot of that on his promotion of Muir to OC. Again, to me this is like Mike Singletary and Jimmy Raye. You've got guys who are showing that they don't really know how to put guys in positions to succeed. I get that there are injuries, but there is no excuse to getting blown out this many times.

I think you get a proven, veteran coach in here who knows how to drive guys and get them ready to compete, and who can actually work with other coaches so that you can bring in a bright mind at OC,6 then you sprinkle in some more talent through the draft, sign a few savvy free agents, and get your injured stars back, and we can be right back in the thick of it. Lots of people coming into the year were comparing us to where the Packers were a few years ago, when they went from 13-3 to 6-10, then back to 11-5. I see the makings of a good nucleus here. The critical difference, of course, is the lack of the franchise QB. But again that's where I go back to SF, because Harbaugh is proving that if you know what you are doing and give your team an identity and put guys in a position to succeed, you can still win with a guy like Smith...

They didbhave an identity last year. Play to protect the quarterbacks mistakes. Take Charles away and that identity disappears. The 49ers are the 2010 chiefs with better defensive talent and a slightly better qb. At least when they ask Smith to make plays he makes them.

What identity can you create for a team with no qb or rb in an increasingly offense driven league?

whoman69 · 11-22-2011, 04:31 PM

Haley has done a great job in getting our underachieving players like Johnson, Hali and Bowe to come up to a Pro-Bowl calibre. I still don't see a plan on the offense. Its kind of hard to plan when playing in the NFL with a HS QB but really? The defense takes a step backward for every step forward.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-22-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Haley has done a great job in getting our underachieving players like Johnson, Hali and Bowe to come up to a Pro-Bowl calibre. I still don't see a plan on the offense. Its kind of hard to plan when playing in the NFL with a HS QB but really? The defense takes a step backward for every step forward.

Thought the plan was good last year. The strength is the receivers and you just can't build on that. It's either the qb or the rb. Usually the qb. How do you build a plan around receivers? Arizona couldn't do it.

Chiefnj2 · 11-22-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Haley has done a great job in getting our underachieving players like Johnson, Hali and Bowe to come up to a Pro-Bowl calibre. I still don't see a plan on the offense. Its kind of hard to plan when playing in the NFL with a HS QB but really? The defense takes a step backward for every step forward.

Hali and Bowe were not underachieving prior to Haley's arrival.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-22-2011, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Hali and Bowe were not underachieving prior to Haley's arrival.

They are better players with the new regime. Period.

Name me a single player you think is underachievimg besides cassel. He has made lemonade out of mostly lemons.

TEX · 11-22-2011, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I do not think that Haley will get fired. I think Matt Cassel will be the starting QB next season. But I think we invest our 1st on a QB. I also think we make a couple of good acquisitions for the OLine. I also think a few weeks from now we will see some of our rookies gets some playing experience to use towards next season.

Next year will be year 4 - far too many holes still to fill.

Hammock Parties · 11-22-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

I think that if Haley had ONE competent quarterback on the team, most of us would have a different opinion of him.

Yeah, we'd be losing important games instead of meaningless ones.

TEX · 11-22-2011, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The line play is being WAY over-analyzed.

No way. 3 players need to be replaced on the OL and 2 on the DL. Nothing is being over - analyzed. Both lines need substantial improvement.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-22-2011, 05:09 PM

How many players show up to camp out of shape? How many good players have we re-signed on the cheap? I can only think of a handful of games where our team played without heart. There is a difference between being outmatched and beaten to submission and being outplayed.

I don't get why people obsess over game managers. If you want a guy to manage games then hire norv Turner. I'd rather a guy who coaches a good team. Haley does that. I want a 2 year extension and a concerted effort to get him a real qb. We spend endless threads btiching about the importance of a qb then we expect Haley to win with below average qbs. Doesn't make any sense.

CupidStunt · 11-22-2011, 05:29 PM

Welcome to Club Reality. The guy's a moron, as I and others have known for a while, and anyone who doesn't see it yet will realize their mistake sooner or later. Likely sooner. Definitely sooner.

11-22-2011, 12:15 AM
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1564792	I've finally changed my mind about Todd Haley Ignoring his unimpressive W/L record as a head coach, it was apparent after tonight that the idiot has learned absolutely NOTHING about being a head coach in the NFL. He knows nothing about gameday decisions. He goes for it on 4th down at times when the reward isn't worth the risks, and then turns into Herm's vagina when he should (like tonight in the first quarter). Hiring Bill Muir was a **ing shitfest. Not replacing Lilja OR Weigmann in the past couple of games has been giving our shitty QBs no time to throw whatsoever. Not figuring out how to stop Tim ing Tebow by simply PLAYING THE GODDAMN RUN. Putting your team in the hands of a garbage player that not even amateur leagues wanted over a QB who could actually be better than feces And there are so many more. He's been at this position for three goddamn years, people. Most coaches, if they're any good, start to show flashes of brilliance by their 2nd year. In their 3rd year, they at the very least field a competitive team. He's good at coaching and player development in the offseason? Newsflash: EVERY coach can find diamonds in the rough. Even Herm had a bunch. Cassel is the first guy who needs to go. But Haley is a pretty **ing close second. I'll be pretty pissed if we keep this jackass around next year.
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1795503	How many players show up to camp out of shape? How many good players have we re-signed on the cheap? I can only think of a handful of games where our team played without heart. There is a difference between being outmatched and beaten to submission and being outplayed. I don't get why people obsess over game managers. If you want a guy to manage games then hire norv Turner. I'd rather a guy who coaches a good team. Haley does that. I want a 2 year extension and a concerted effort to get him a real qb. We spend endless threads btiching about the importance of a qb then we expect Haley to win with below average qbs. Doesn't make any sense.
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CupidStunt offense > defense Join Date: Jul 2005 Casino cash: $-786668	Welcome to Club Reality. The guy's a moron, as I and others have known for a while, and anyone who doesn't see it yet will realize their mistake sooner or later. Likely sooner. Definitely sooner.
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