I've finally changed my mind about Todd Haley

[RealSNR]

Ignoring his unimpressive W/L record as a head coach, it was apparent after tonight that the idiot has learned absolutely NOTHING about being a head coach in the NFL.

He knows nothing about gameday decisions. He goes for it on 4th down at times when the reward isn't worth the risks, and then turns into Herm's vagina when he should (like tonight in the first quarter).

Hiring Bill Muir was a ****ing shitfest.

Not replacing Lilja OR Weigmann in the past couple of games has been giving our shitty QBs no time to throw whatsoever.

Not figuring out how to stop Tim ****ing Tebow by simply PLAYING THE GODDAMN RUN.

Putting your team in the hands of a garbage player that not even amateur leagues wanted over a QB who could actually be better than feces

And there are so many more.

He's been at this position for three goddamn years, people. Most coaches, if they're any good, start to show flashes of brilliance by their 2nd year. In their 3rd year, they at the very least field a competitive team.

He's good at coaching and player development in the offseason? Newsflash: EVERY coach can find diamonds in the rough. Even Herm had a bunch.

Cassel is the first guy who needs to go. But Haley is a pretty ****ing close second. I'll be pretty pissed if we keep this jackass around next year.

[ChiefsrGood]

Answer this question:

Will the Kansas City Chiefs be good next year?

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

I kinda see us like the 49ers last year in a sense. We've got good young talent, but we've got coaches who don't necessarily know what they want this team to be and how to coach them to be that team. The most damning thing to me about Haley is that we have no identity. Some of that is injuries, but I lay a lot of that on his promotion of Muir to OC. Again, to me this is like Mike Singletary and Jimmy Raye. You've got guys who are showing that they don't really know how to put guys in positions to succeed. I get that there are injuries, but there is no excuse to getting blown out this many times.

I think you get a proven, veteran coach in here who knows how to drive guys and get them ready to compete, and who can actually work with other coaches so that you can bring in a bright mind at OC, then you sprinkle in some more talent through the draft, sign a few savvy free agents, and get your injured stars back, and we can be right back in the thick of it. Lots of people coming into the year were comparing us to where the Packers were a few years ago, when they went from 13-3 to 6-10, then back to 11-5. I see the makings of a good nucleus here. The critical difference, of course, is the lack of the franchise QB. But again that's where I go back to SF, because Harbaugh is proving that if you know what you are doing and give your team an identity and put guys in a position to succeed, you can still win with a guy like Smith...

Nice dissertation... Rep!! Didn't read it, but the length is worth of a porn star...

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Hali led the team in sacks his rookie year.
Bowe averaged about 80 receptions and 1000 yards his first two years.

Real underachievers there.

Bowe was a 50% catcher who we threw to more often than Tony Gonzalaz. He put up stats via volume... the same way Chris Chambers used to. It's like a CB that gets a lot of picks because QB's pick on him. Now he's a league leading WR that gets respect from elite corners.

Hali.. yeah... if you can't see the difference between then and now you're blind. Hali was an 8 sack guy prior to Haley and was coming off a 3 sack season. Now he's a 15 sack guy and one of the elite pass rushers in the NFL.

Of course, now you can tell me how DJ always played up to his potential and is no better now than he was before. Or maybe that it's all a coincidence and that Johnson was just due for his breakout season as a six year veteran.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

The Chiefs have been blown out and scored 10 points or less in half their games this season. You think that's good coaching?

How about addressing the points I make instead of completely changing direction. Like I've said, for all the arguments we make about the importance of a franchise QB, why are we so insistent that Haley win without one? It's pretty simple. The Chiefs get blown out a lot because when they fall 2-3 TDs behind, they have to rely on Cassel and have to ditch the running game.

You know what? Aaron Rodgers doesn't get blown out because when his defense falls behind, he picks up the pace. The Chiefs don't have someone like that. Other than Indianapolis, how many games can you remember where Matt Cassel picked up his defense?

[FAX]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

How about addressing the points I make instead of completely changing direction. Like I've said, for all the arguments we make about the importance of a franchise QB, why are we so insistent that Haley win without one? It's pretty simple. The Chiefs get blown out a lot because when they fall 2-3 TDs behind, they have to rely on Cassel and have to ditch the running game.

You know what? Aaron Rodgers doesn't get blown out because when his defense falls behind, he picks up the pace. The Chiefs don't have someone like that. Other than Indianapolis, how many games can you remember where Matt Cassel picked up his defense?

It's this one, single, simple statement of fact that has me bumfuzzled.

And, the more I read about how Haley is the Devil, the more fuzzled my bum becomes. Assuming that these people want the Chiefs to succeed, they should realize that Haley (or whomever the coach might be) has to adjust our approach to the game in order to fit the scheme to Cassel's abilities ... and those abilities are very limited.

The result is a collage of risk-taking, aberrant play-calls, tired defenses, runs to nowhere, and dinky-dunks.

Not to mention the overall malaise that is bound to affect your locker room when the players know full well that we are A) Utterly unable to maintain a consistent offensive attack and B) Come from behind.

Charles saved our asses last season, but without him, Haley has once again been charged with making chicken salad out of walrus feces and is criticized for the effort. It's too bad for a lot of reasons ... not the least of which is that Haley will likely be very successful in this league as a head coach someday ... but probably not here. And that's a shame.

FAX

[Hammock Parties]

We've been blown out with Charles and without Charles.

14 blowouts in 42 games is not an accident.

Haley is garbage.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

But they've both improved dramatically since his arrival.

Correlation has something to say about causation. Did Herm really coach up Jared Allen?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Correlation has something to say about causation. Did Herm really coach up Jared Allen?

No, all credit for that goes to Krumrie and Gunther.

[Rasputin]

I wanted to wait his 3rd year to form an honest opinion of him. Honestly he sucks.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Haley is what he is, another one hit wonder offensive coordinator like Mike Mularkey, Greg Robinson, any many, many others. Honestly, he doesn't have a super impressive, or long, track record as an OC either. He's done nothing to indicate that he's anything other than replaceable. I don't even buy the "players play hard for him" line. If they did, more talented Chiefs teams, which this definitely is, wouldn't be getting curb stomped more than the Herm teams did.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

We've been blown out with Charles and without Charles.

14 blowouts in 42 games is not an accident.

Haley is garbage.

The three most important positions in a franchise are GM, head coach, and QB. Thus far, I'm far more convinced that Pioli and Cassel are garbage than I am about Haley.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

The three most important positions in a franchise are GM, head coach, and QB. Thus far, I'm far more convinced that Pioli and Cassel are garbage than I am about Haley.

Oh absolutely, but deer shit is still shit, even when compared against steaming hog shit.

[petegz28]

Haley failed miserably this year from the start of training camp. The team looks soft, scared, unprepared, unorganized and just generally sucks. That is not the sign of a good head coach in his 3rd year with a team.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Haley is what he is, another one hit wonder offensive coordinator like Mike Mularkey, Greg Robinson, any many, many others. Honestly, he doesn't have a super impressive, or long, track record as an OC either. He's done nothing to indicate that he's anything other than replaceable. I don't even buy the "players play hard for him" line. If they did, more talented Chiefs teams, which this definitely is, wouldn't be getting curb stomped more than the Herm teams did.

Again, though...
How many players can you say "that guy is not playing up to his potential" under Haley?

How many close games did we win last year because of NEGATIVE QB play? What if we had an AVERAGE QB play against Denver two weeks ago? What about this week against New England--a guy who could actually finish up drives? Better yet... why did we lose to Baltimore? Primarily because of negative QB play. Our QB is a virus. I saw Palko this week move tight ends and RBs into positions to pick up the blitz. I saw him call his own plays, whereas Cassel look confusedly to the sideline for direction. I saw Palko dictate the tempo of the game. And all year long, Haley/Muir's playcalls are getting receivers open. What the **** do you do when your QB doesn't hit those open guys? What do you do when your QB is so inept at throwing to the deep field that the entire defense is gunning for 20 yards and in?

I don't care how gifted a carpenter you are. You're not going to build a good house with a plastic hammer.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Haley failed miserably this year from the start of training camp. The team looks soft, scared, unprepared, unorganized and just generally sucks. That is not the sign of a good head coach in his 3rd year with a team.

Haley made a critical mistake the first 2 games of the season. It's not something he should be fired over.

It's obvious we weren't going to win with Cassel even if we were well prepared.