Other Sports What is the Best System to Control Player Movement and Economics?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-09-2011, 02:52 PM

The Pujols atrocity has put me into a state of rumination. That, combined with the unprecedented Chris Paul trade veto makes me wonder a couple of things:

1) Which sport's player movement system is the best?

A) Baseball: Luxury tax, revenue sharing, no cap. High compensatory picks for elite free agents lost (but no longer for mid level FAs), slotted draft salaries.

B) Basketball: Soft cap, salary floor, luxury tax, maximum contract levels.

C) Football: Soft cap, franchise tag, salary floor, low level compensatory picks for lost free agents

D) Hockey: Hard cap, maximum player salary (20%)

2) What would be the ideal system that would best balance rewarding owner competence, fan interest, but also give the players the right to ply their trade where they would prefer?

Deberg_1990 · 12-09-2011, 02:57 PM

Whatever system MLS uses

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-09-2011, 03:04 PM

**Bowser** · 12-09-2011, 03:08 PM

A combination, for me.

- Hard Cap
- Maximum Player Salaries
- Minimum Cap Floor

Seems a formula like this, or some like variation, would be the only way to truly keep all teams competitive.

And just as an aside - this stuff the NBA is pulling with Chris Paul is pure bullshit. Tampering, perhaps?

ChiefsCountry · 12-09-2011, 03:13 PM

Really doesn't matter. The best teams in every league, scout and draft the best.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-09-2011, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

A combination, for me.

- Hard Cap
- Maximum Player Salaries
- Minimum Cap Floor

Seems a formula like this, or some like variation, would be the only way to truly keep all teams competitive.

And just as an aside - this stuff the NBA is pulling with Chris Paul is pure bullshit. Tampering, perhaps?

What would be an appropriate maximum salary for something like football, where the QB is worth so much? Should there be a positional max or an overall max?

sedated · 12-09-2011, 03:14 PM

The NFL has a soft cap?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-09-2011, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Really doesn't matter. The best teams in every league, scout and draft the best.

Do they?

I don't think the Lakers scout and draft the best. The Yankees and Red Sox, although not the best teams, are the most consistent winners.

I think that's generally true but not absolutely, and if you can't hold on to your drafted players during their prime, it marginalizes the act of drafting and scouting.

**doomy3** · 12-09-2011, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Really doesn't matter. The best teams in every league, scout and draft the best.

No way.

**doomy3** · 12-09-2011, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Do they?

I don't think the Lakers scout and draft the best. The Yankees and Red Sox, although not the best teams, are the most consistent winners.

I think that's generally true but not absolutely, and if you can't hold on to your drafted players during their prime, it marginalizes the act of drafting and scouting.

This.

ChiefsCountry · 12-09-2011, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't think the Lakers scout and draft the best. The Yankees and Red Sox, although not the best teams, are the most consistent winners.

Lakers have drafted pretty well over the years. Most of their superstars were there own draft picks. Yankees powerhouse teams of the 90s were made up mainly of their homegrown guys.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-09-2011, 03:25 PM

Shaq, Gasol, Kareem, Wilt...none of them were drafted by the Lakers.

If you look at their most recent team, Kobe and Bynum were the only contributors who were drafted by the Lakers. I guess Fisher counts, but he left and came back via FA.

BIG_DADDY · 12-09-2011, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Shaq, Gasol, Kareem, Wilt...none of them were drafted by the Lakers.

If you look at their most recent team, Kobe and Bynum were the only contributors who were drafted by the Lakers. I guess Fisher counts, but he left and came back via FA.

So you want to use history to prove your point and then bitch about only 3 of 5 starters coming by way of draft? Come on man. Looking at the top I see you conveniently forgot the Magic Man

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-09-2011, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

So you want to use history to prove your point and then bitch about only 3 of 5 starters coming by way of draft? Come on man. Looking at the top I see you conveniently forgot the Magic Man

Did you ever think that maybe I included all of those guys because

#1) They weren't drafted by the Lakers
#2) They were all dominant big men

JFC.

ChiefsCountry · 12-09-2011, 03:44 PM

Magic
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Worthy

Thats not a bad list. The early 90s Lakers sucked but they drafted pretty well which led to trades later down the list to build the championship teams. Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, Elden Campbell, Vlade Divac. And if you look the trade down effect getting Chris Paul would have basically been just from the Shaq trade to Miami. Odom, Butler, and Grant. Butler was shipped off for Kwame Brown, who got them Gasol. Then Gasol and Odom for Paul.

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Shaq, Gasol, Kareem, Wilt...none of them were drafted by the Lakers. If you look at their most recent team, Kobe and Bynum were the only contributors who were drafted by the Lakers. I guess Fisher counts, but he left and came back via FA. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1601248	Magic Jerry West Elgin Baylor Worthy Thats not a bad list. The early 90s Lakers sucked but they drafted pretty well which led to trades later down the list to build the championship teams. Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, Elden Campbell, Vlade Divac. And if you look the trade down effect getting Chris Paul would have basically been just from the Shaq trade to Miami. Odom, Butler, and Grant. Butler was shipped off for Kwame Brown, who got them Gasol. Then Gasol and Odom for Paul.
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