Why I support Todd Haley

[chiefzilla1501]

I know this is going to get me shit. Fire away.

• If it's true that Haley pushed back on Tyson Jackson, that tells you everything you need to know. Scott Pioli did NOT build a team around his head coach. He forced his coach to run the only system he knows. Know why Haley called Jackson a "system player"? Because Tyson Jackson is only a 3-4 DE in a 2-gap, Romeo 3-4. Does any NFL team run this defense anymore? Even the Patriots don't.

• Case study. What defense is Thomas Dimitroff running in Atlanta? You guessed it. A 4-3. That's because good GMs adjust their philosophy to fit the coach.

• Look at the new candidates for head coach. It's going to be from the tree. You know how I know that? 1) because Pioli has shown croneyism this entire time. 2) because he is so stuck on one offensive and defensive philosophy that he needs to hire a coach who follows his marching orders.

• Not only should we question if the 2-gap 3-4 defense is obsolete. We have to question why Pioli would expect Haley to make a complete transition to a new defense requiring totally different personnel and turn that around in 3 years.

• How about the obvious? Pioli is the guy who scouted Cassel for years and believed he was the long-term starter. In 3 years, the only QBs he brought in to compete for the starting job were Tyler Palko (probably Haley's choice, but that doesn't mean Pioli didn't have the power to bring a competitive veteran option in) and a 5th round pick he waited 3 years to bring in. Fail.

• How about the second-most obvious? Pioli forced Haley to run a 3-4 and didn't in 3 years even try to bring in a Nose Tackle.

• People may get on Haley's case for not getting along with Charlie Weis. It sounds like the relationship was doomed from the start and credit Whitlock for being the only guy to figure that out. Pioli has ultimate say, but if Haley flat-out didn't want to work with the guy, then don't bring him in. Pioli has to have at least some consideration for what Haley wants. And now, because of that, haley ends up looking like the asshole.

• The Chiefs are finding a convenient time to fire Haley because people hate the Palko decision. First of all, his choice was Palko or a 5th round rookie. Second of all, it sounds like haley's job was pretty much gone well before Palko started a game. So no... not convinced at all that Haley starts Palko if he knows his job is safe. I wouldn't even be surprised if that was just a big **** you after a while.

• In 3 years, Scott Pioli forces Haley to completely change his defense and doesn't spend a dime to help him out.
  People say the Chiefs' effort was inconsistent. I call bullshit. This team had so many talent gaps that the only way they could win was with effort. Given the Chiefs' talent, especially at the most critical positions, it's amazing they won as many games the past 2 years as they did. You give Haley the Chargers' talent, and he takes them to the top. Not every team is going to play 100% every single game. The difference is that the best teams have enough talent that they can win even when the other team outplays them.

• The Chiefs brought in Kyle Orton. I was okay with that move as a 1-2 year decision. But let's be serious about one thing... that's a pretty telltale sign that Pioli is bringing in McDaniels.

• Haley's job was to coach up players. Many players under his watch who had any kind of upside really improved.

• I don't like the snake-like tactics we're seeing from our front office. It sounds like they were leaking stories about Haley to discredit him. Between the Lil Wayne concert and the party before the Bears game (after a win, mind you).
  We've seen firey Haley before. Even with big efforts in Chicago and Pittsburgh, it looked like he just didn't have any fire. I think he knew he was through and the front office was just waiting for a chance to fire him.

• He's a young coach. He's going to make mistakes. The beginning of the season was a horrible mistake. But that's not one mistake that should get you fired.

Flame away. I want to know... if the GM let Haley run a defense he wanted to run, have some input on his coordinator, actually gave Haley good QBs to work with... how would we have fared? And how comfortable do people feel that the grand vision for this team as long as Pioli is here is this exact New England approach that even New England isn't using anymore?

[aturnis]

Also love how Pioli showed up in KC stating he wouldn't be firing and hiring coaches all the time, that's not how championship teams are built. He got scared though, team looked bad. Oh no. Couldn't have anything to do with injuries...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

How many times this year did we hear Haley say that his team wasn't well prepared? Answer: too many times.

He needed to be fired. That said, Pioli and Cassel are far bigger problems.

The first two games. That was a gamble, but not a fireable gamble.

The other games? As I mentioned before, you can't win every game with adrenaline. Were they actually outcoached and outprepared? Or was it just the case that the other team had better talent and brought their A game? I would argue that a very good QB alone eliminates the other 3 blowouts.

[Okie_Apparition]

The milk is spilt
letting it sour on the floor is not recommended
~no I didn't read that

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The beginning of the season is a mistake to learn from.

The blowouts excuse is a lousy one. The team doesn't have enough talent, especially marching out our injury-ridden C-squad, especially marching out our pathetic backup QBs, to consistently compete.

That's been true for 3 years. We've been winning primarily on effort, not talent.

Bullshit. It's the NFL, not college ball. There is no excuse to lose by that much that many times, especially at Arrowhead. Lots of teams have injuries, but they don't get blown out by Miami at home.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Papi

I had no large issues with Haley until he refused to give Palko the hook.
Sticking with that turd and not playing Stanzi < a kick in the nuts
Eff him.

Like I said.
The decision to start Palko was made well after the decision to can Haley was essentially made. Pretty sure Haley knew that when Cassel went down his days were numbered.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The first two games.

Incorrect.

To give you a very recent example, he said his team was ill-prepared yesterday.

Worse than Herm. Thank goodness both are gone. One step closer to firing Pioli, and then might have a chance to compete for a championship.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

WTF are you talking about ... Our defense is on the verge of being elite. We are a couple pieces away, but its not Haley's job to take care of the D.

What player would Haley of preferred in the '09 draft?
Andre Smith? Bust
Michael Crabtree? Average
Aaron Curry? Bust
Mark Sanchez? Cassel 2.0

We went with our biggest need and are lucky we at least have a contributor out of that draft.

BJ Raji?

[Brianfo]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

WTF are you talking about ... Our defense is on the verge of being elite. We are a couple pieces away, but its not Haley's job to take care of the D.

What player would Haley of preferred in the '09 draft?
Andre Smith? Bust
Michael Crabtree? Average
Aaron Curry? Bust
Mark Sanchez? Cassel 2.0

We went with our biggest need and are lucky we at least have a contributor out of that draft.

He wanted best athlete available. Your argument is full of fail. Die in an aids infested tree douche

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by aturnis

BJ Raji?

Or Brian Orakpo, if you commit to the 4-3.

[Hammock Parties]

Look at the new candidates for head coach. It's going to be from the tree.

I don't believe so.

Clark is going to step into the process.

He'll probably come up with a list based on what Marty is telling him (Marty has been advising Clark) and tell Pioli to pick one.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Incorrect.

To give you a very recent example, he said his team was ill-prepared yesterday.

Worse than Herm. Thank goodness both are gone. One step closer to firing Pioli.

Every team that has talent and loses is ill prepared dumbass. Haley just has the balls to say it. Other coaches make excuses. Haley hasn't fallen back on the obvious injury excuse.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Incorrect.

To give you a very recent example, he said his team was ill-prepared yesterday.

Worse than Herm. Thank goodness both are gone. One step closer to firing Pioli, and then might have a chance to compete for a championship.

It's been said many times that Haley was considering resigning well before the game. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the ridiculous pizza party info leak was what pushed him over the edge.

Haley looked like he was mailing it in on Sunday.

[Papi]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Like I said.
The decision to start Palko was made well after the decision to can Haley was essentially made. Pretty sure Haley knew that when Cassel went down his days were numbered.

Don't know if it's valid, but there was a report Haley considered playing Stanzi in NY. Shoulda pulled the trigger at halftime on that one. It was Haley's call and I just viewed it as a lack of desire to try and win/compete.

[Urc Burry]

Originally Posted by aturnis

BJ Raji?

Hindsight he would of been the better pick, but he had maturity questions coming out. Missed the entire '07 season due to academics and I believe he had some run ins with the law.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

We went with our biggest need and are lucky we at least have a contributor out of that draft.

Our biggest need was and still is QB. And Sanchez isn't Cassel 2.0. Sanchez can beat the top QBs, Cassel can't.