Chiefs Haley's termination. Cliff notes and highlites? - Page 17

milkman · 12-13-2011, 10:33 PM

So I've worked long hours the last couple of days, and haven't had much time to read the threads.

In perusing a couple of threads, I've seen someone alluding to "things we've learned" about this firing.

Can someone enlighten me what it is we've learned?

Chief Roundup · 12-14-2011, 01:15 PM

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The three players you brought up that I named in my followup post.

I wouldn't label Donnie an underachiever.
He was simply overrated by Chief fans.

But regardless of the label, blame for his departure falls more to Carl than Dick.

And I'd guess that the primary reason that you would draft D and sign O in free agency is that it's generally thought that rookies can assimilate defense and have an impact quicker than offensive skill position players.

Wow I wouldn't call Chester, Dan Williams, or Duane Clemons underachievers. Dan may have been injured and took plays off but he was good. Not to mention my original point is that we had a lot of cap space in those players.

htismaqe · 12-14-2011, 01:16 PM

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He wouldn't spend money on the defense. He would let a lot of the defensive players go to get money to put towards the offensive players he wanted to bring in. JMO . then we would try and draft some more defensive players.

They spent quite a bit of money on Shawn Barber, he was one of the first guys signed by any team that offseason.

milkman · 12-14-2011, 01:18 PM

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Wow I wouldn't call Chester, Dan Williams, or Duane Clemons underachievers. Dan may have been injured and took plays off but he was good. Not to mention my original point is that we had a lot of cap space in those players.

Chet had the talent to be the most dominating DT in the game, and never lived up to that ability.

Dan Williams got paid, and his production plummted.

Clemons, maybe not an underachiever, but he really wasn't all that good.

They were all disposable.

Chief Roundup · 12-14-2011, 01:19 PM

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They spent quite a bit of money on Shawn Barber, he was one of the first guys signed by any team that offseason.

Yeah we sure did. To bad he couldn't stay healthy. To bad we didn't have anything on the line better than Hicks and Ransom to keep the Olineman off the LB's.

htismaqe · 12-14-2011, 01:23 PM

Wow, you're all over the place.

Chief Roundup · 12-14-2011, 01:23 PM

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Chet had the talent to be the most dominating DT in the game, and never lived up to that ability.

Dan Williams got paid, and his production plummted.

Clemons, maybe not an underachiever, but he really wasn't all that good.

They were all disposable.

Maybe for some teams in the NFL, but not for this one at that time. Do you think that Tyson Jackson, Kelly Gregg, and Glenn Dorsey are better than that DLine. Understanding a difference from 4-3 to 3-4. I am not sure that we have a line that was that good even now.

**HemiEd** · 12-14-2011, 01:23 PM

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Chester McGlocklin, Dan Williams, Donnie Edwards, Duane Clemons.

No you didn't! Dan Williams would not suit up, he had been paid and was done. He was a lazy ****.

Like it was yesterday, I can still hear Vermeil saying, "I don't know what his problem is."

Chief Roundup · 12-14-2011, 01:25 PM

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Wow, you're all over the place.

Why do you say that? Barber is one player....That I had hope for that didn't work out...One decent attempt doesn't make up for everything else.

Chief Roundup · 12-14-2011, 01:26 PM

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No you didn't! Dan Williams would not suit up, he had been paid and was done. He was a lazy ****.

Like it was yesterday, I can still hear Vermeil saying, "I don't know what his problem is."

As I recall Dan was injured. Hmmm did he retire.

**HemiEd** · 12-14-2011, 01:30 PM

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As I recall Dan was injured. Hmmm did he retire.

He claimed injury, it was a long drawn out painful experience for all of us. He got paid and was done, simple as that, it was very obvious. If you don't recall it, I would just as soon not go through it again.

milkman · 12-14-2011, 01:31 PM

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Maybe for some teams in the NFL, but not for this one at that time. Do you think that Tyson Jackson, Kelly Gregg, and Glenn Dorsey are better than that DLine. Understanding a difference from 4-3 to 3-4. I am not sure that we have a line that was that good even now.

This D-line is better.

Tamba Hali and Justin Houston, the last couple of weeks, don't get to the QB if the D-Line isn't doing their job.

DJ and Bellcher aren't run stuffers if the D-Line isn't doing their job.

That line that consisted of Chet, Williams and Clemons should have been a dominating group.

They weren't.

They were owned and abused.

Chief Roundup · 12-14-2011, 01:36 PM

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This D-line is better.

Tamba Hali and Justin Houston, the last couple of weeks, don't get to the QB if the D-Line isn't doing their job.

DJ and Bellcher aren't run stuffers if the D-Line isn't doing their job.

That line that consisted of Chet, Williams and Clemons should have been a dominating group.

They weren't.

They were owned and abused.

The biggest memory I have since that old DLine is what seems as a lifetime of Eric Hicks. Man our line was really bad after those guys were gone.

htismaqe · 12-14-2011, 01:52 PM

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The biggest memory I have since that old DLine is what seems as a lifetime of Eric Hicks. Man our line was really bad after those guys were gone.

They weren't that great WITH them.

9th in yards in 1998 but 22nd in points against. 13th in points and 14th in yards in 1999.

O.city · 12-14-2011, 01:58 PM

I don't get the hate for Dorsey and Jackson. They have played pretty well this season.

A big block eating NT makes them that much better. I'm endorsing bringing in Soliai from Miami. He could play that part.

Chief Roundup · 12-14-2011, 02:13 PM

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I don't get the hate for Dorsey and Jackson. They have played pretty well this season.

A big block eating NT makes them that much better. I'm endorsing bringing in Soliai from Miami. He could play that part.

I wasn't hating. I think they are pretty good. Jackson has definitely stepped it up this season.

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-705936	I don't get the hate for Dorsey and Jackson. They have played pretty well this season. A big block eating NT makes them that much better. I'm endorsing bringing in Soliai from Miami. He could play that part.
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