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Old 12-18-2011, 03:42 PM  
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I owe Kyle Orton an apology...
and quite a few people here should be doling them out as well...

Leonard Pope? Big catches. Barry Richardson? Nice job.

Same cast of characters, same playcalling (McCluster up the middle, anyone?)...

Yet Orton has 300 yards passing in a game where we led the entire way.

Yeah, I wanted to see Stanzi play and I still do.

But thank you Kyle Orton for making it ABUNDANTLY clear how much of a waste Matt Cassel is...
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:26 PM   #91
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bullshit ... playcalling was nothing like it has been

did we run a DMC draw at all?

our redzone playcalling sucked but other than that Muir > Haley
The mere fact that the playcalls actually got in to the QB on time and they weren't bickering about which run between the tackles was better was 100x better than Haley on the sideline.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:27 PM   #92
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The offense was actually quite a bit different. It allowed the QB to have more time and give the WR's more time to get open.


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I am kind of sick of arguing.
Translation: I'm looking for way out of this but I can't find one that allows me to exit and not look like a fool.
I have seen Orton for five years. One year doesn't completely change history.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:28 PM   #93
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The mere fact that the playcalls actually got in to the QB on time and they weren't bickering about which run between the tackles was better was 100x better than Haley on the sideline.
Nevermind the fact that it only happened like three times since the instant Cassel went down.

Damn that Todd Haley!
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:28 PM   #94
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bullshit ... playcalling was nothing like it has been

did we run a DMC draw at all?

our redzone playcalling sucked but other than that Muir > Haley
Yes, we did run a DMC draw, twice.

The fact that Orton can actually play the QB position had the effect of taking that play out the game as much as it did.
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Pioli got what he ****ing wanted.

Some people are buying into him making Haley the scapegoat.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:32 PM   #96
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Screens were successful today because the Pack defense had to actually respect Orton's ability to hit the deep balls, including the seam routes over the middle.

The Pack couldn't just line up everyone within 10 yards of the LOS and dare the QB to beat 'em deep.
you didn't see the same game as me. The screens were successful because the Packers saw on film that we couldn't block the blitz, and that we ALWAYS went max protect. So they came out in the first half firing their linebackers around the ends and into the gaps. Orton took a few shots. But instead of trying to block it, we leaked our running backs into the flats and had our o-line sneak out as lead blockers. Later in the game, they HAD to stop blitzing and cover our backs out of the flat. The last screen we attempted was AFTER the Pack made this adjustment, and we ended up throwing for a 4 yard loss. But Orton had time in the pocket after that.
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Yes, we did run a DMC draw, twice.

The fact that Orton can actually play the QB position had the effect of taking that play out the game as much as it did.
I can't believe we're even arguing this.

Our first punt was with 4 minutes LEFT IN THE FIRST HALF.

We didn't NEED to run the delay draw because we weren't ever in 3rd and long.

The difference today was abundantly clear for anybody that wanted to see it.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:33 PM   #98
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Pioli got what he ****ing wanted.

Some people are buying into him making Haley the scapegoat.
Haley was a big part of the problem with this team. This team has gotten blown out 5 games this season and that is a direct reflection of the head coach.
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you didn't see the same game as me. The screens were successful because the Packers saw on film that we couldn't block the blitz, and that we ALWAYS went max protect. So they came out in the first half firing their linebackers around the ends and into the gaps. Orton took a few shots. But instead of trying to block it, we leaked our running backs into the flats and had our o-line sneak out as lead blockers. Later in the game, they HAD to stop blitzing and cover our backs out of the flat. The last screen we attempted was AFTER the Pack made this adjustment, and we ended up throwing for a 4 yard loss. But Orton had time in the pocket after that.
The first screen to McClain was the SAME screen we ran against Minnesota.

Orton found his 2nd read (McClain), Cassel grounded it.
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The offense was actually quite a bit different. It allowed the QB to have more time and give the WR's more time to get open.
QBs have been open all year, Cassell couldn't find them. The cameras did though.
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Haley was a big part of the problem with this team. This team has gotten blown out 5 games this season and that is a direct reflection of the head coach.
Or it could be due to execution.
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Haley was a big part of the problem with this team. This team has gotten blown out 5 games this season and that is a direct reflection of the head coach.
He was being asked to prepare a team that had no real hope.

I'm fine with Haley being fired but if Cassel doesn't go with him, we've accomplished nothing.
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you didn't see the same game as me. The screens were successful because the Packers saw on film that we couldn't block the blitz, and that we ALWAYS went max protect. So they came out in the first half firing their linebackers around the ends and into the gaps. Orton took a few shots. But instead of trying to block it, we leaked our running backs into the flats and had our o-line sneak out as lead blockers. Later in the game, they HAD to stop blitzing and cover our backs out of the flat. The last screen we attempted was AFTER the Pack made this adjustment, and we ended up throwing for a 4 yard loss. But Orton had time in the pocket after that.
Have you seen how effective any screen we ran this year was prior to this game?

Or, I should say inefffective.

Even with the blitzes before today, the whole defense has been on the screens we've run before because the defense was already there.

A screen can't work against a defense that doesn't have anyone protecting the deep areas.
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Or it could be due to execution.
Doesn' that fall back to the head coach not preparing his team?

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I'm fine with Haley being fired but if Cassel doesn't go with him, we've accomplished nothing.
Totally agree 110%
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