Mock Draft (2/6/12) - Page 2

Direckshun · 02:48 PM

I'm just going to get ridiculous here and play the game I want to play.

I am not going to be committing to need as much as might be demanded. I'm just going to give you guys a little bit of a look as to some alternate ideas the Chiefs could embrace.

Assumptions:

1. ILB Jovan Belcher is tendered.

4. WR Dwayne Bowe is franchised.

5. The Chiefs are outbid on Brandon Carr and Wallace Gilberry, losing both.

6. FB Le'Ron McClain, TE Leonard Pope, ILB Brandon Siler, OLB Andy Studebaker, CB Travis Daniels, and S Jon McGraw are all signed to one-year deals.

7. RB Thomas Jones, WR Jerheme Urban, OT Barry Richardson, C Casey Wiegmann, NT Kelly Gregg are all parted with.

On with the show.

1. CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama

Losing Brandon Carr? Fear not. Well... fear a little. You're losing a starting caliber, big-bodied corner who plays the angles so well, he's in the rare echelon of corners that quarterbacks simply don't test. The problem is, he's going to cost $50 million when you've already spent that on your other corner. Resigning Carr would be good for the on-field product, but potentially ugly for the cap situation.

So, let's go with somebody bigger than Carr, and faster than Carr. Somebody that will be able to play that incredibly valuable role that Carr plays: the ability to be left out on the island against some of the most physically intimidating receivers the NFL has to offer.

If we let Carr go, Kirkpatrick is our best pick. No QBs justify the #11/#12 overall, and all the other talent play the devalued positions of right tackle, guard, or running back. Let's stay with the tried and true pattern of spending the best picks on the best players at the best positions, and continue this rebuild at the fastest possible speed.

2. DE/DT Derek Wolfe, Cincinnati

This is a pretty narrow draft if you're looking for somebody to create havoc in your opponent's backfield from the middle of the defensive line. Ever Brockers and Still, the two best defensive tackles in the 2012 draft class, aren't sack artists.

Wolfe is. With Dorsey likely in the last year of his contract, and Allen Bailey on deck to fill his spot, the Chiefs will need to continue beefing up their defensive line rotation to wear down offensive lines over the course of the season.

And unlike Dorsey (and Jackson), Wolfe is a tireless machine who lives in the backfield. He totaled 9.5 sacks last season. No other tackle comes close. If he somehow slips down into the second round, this is a pick we'd be smart to make.

3. OT Mitchell Schwartz, California

A team captain, Schwartz is the kind of offensive lineman that Pioli drools over. He is huge with fantastic athleticism. I thought this guy looked great all season for Cal, but in that mid-round overachiever way. His performance at the Senior Bowl was aces, however, opening up great lanes and stoning at both tackle positions. A born and bred right tackle.

4. RB Isaiah Pead, Cincinnati

We all saw Pead spring out at the Senior Bowl. Such great athleticism and ability to blast through holes. Jamaal Charles is a brilliant runner, but we can't rely on him coming off his horrific injury. At the very least, Pead offers this team yet another playmaker who will try harder than everybody else on the field.

5. RB Tauren Poole, Tennessee

The bruiser this team needs, Poole boasts good size and great vision. Thomas Jones is out the door and Battle has no contract. Poole is tailor-made for the zone blocking system, and size-wise is a perfect compliment for Charles, Pead, and McCluster.

6. FS Rashard Hall, Clemson

Hall is a really special athlete by late-round standards, and his highlight reels have all kinds of high-flying acrobatics as he makes countless plays on the ball. Hall is a ball hawk that this team sorely needs to groom behind Kendrick Lewis and push him for that starting position. Hall's weakness is between the ears, primarily as he struggles with discipline and keeping his assignments. I am taking the assumption at this point that Hall can be coached up.

7. C/OG Adam Gettis, Iowa

A perfect Pioli offensive lineman prospect. He comes from a school that loves offensive line, and Pioli's no doubt been spying him for months as he plays a couple spots down from Riley Reiff. Gettis (the guy opening the hole above on the left) is super athletic, and can pull as well as most of the prospects coming out in this draft. It's a perfect fit for Kansas City.

The problem is that he's only 280 lbs. You can start him on the interior line depth chart behind Darryl Harris as Asamoah, Hudson, and Lilja man the posts. But he's going to take a year or so to get up to the size he needs to be at. If you can get him there, he already has the skillset he needs to be successful.

Direckshun · 02-06-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Charming?

Direckshun, why do all your mocks assume that we won't re-sign Carr? Just for once, to play devil's advocate, couldn't you make a mock that assumed we DO sign Brandon Carr?

Because it's harder. I enjoy the challenge, however slight.

Also, I am not optimistic that we do resign him.

Direckshun · 02-06-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

I hate that in this scenario we have to use our 1st on a CB and still downgrading at that spot. (because there's no way he comes in at Brandon's level)

Would be ultimate fair on the GM's part that we get outbid when we're 30 mil below the cap.

Unacceptable.

To be fair, in this scenario, there is no better value.

Everything else is either a major reach or a right tackle, guard, or running back.

aturnis · 02-06-2012, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

To be fair, in this scenario, there is no better value.

Everything else is either a major reach or a right tackle, guard, or running back.

Dre Kirkpatrick is a late 1st early 2nd round CB. He's not crazy good, and he got caught pokin' da smot.

aturnis · 02-06-2012, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Because it's harder. I enjoy the challenge, however slight.

Also, I am not optimistic that we do resign him.

I am. There's money enough for him. His friends are here. Wants to be here. Also, as a professional, KC is all he knows.

This is the advantage of building a team through the draft. The young influential players are likely to build strong relationships with their other young teammates, and also, the known is better than the unknown. Carr knows he can succeed here for sure. Leaving is Brandon Carr's last option if the Chiefs don't want him, or aren't willing to give him fair money. Notice I didn't say outstanding, Carr will come for fair, which is in Flowers ballpark. Carr may take a bit less to stay though, given his inclination to stay.

Titty Meat · 02-06-2012, 06:58 PM

This mock sucks.

Direckshun · 02-06-2012, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Dre Kirkpatrick is a late 1st early 2nd round CB. He's not crazy good, and he got caught pokin' da smot.

I really don't agree. He's got great size, near-elite speed, and good ballskills.

The pot thing doesn't scare me off any more than it did with Justin Houston.

Direckshun · 02-06-2012, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis

I am. There's money enough for him. His friends are here. Wants to be here. Also, as a professional, KC is all he knows.

This is the advantage of building a team through the draft. The young influential players are likely to build strong relationships with their other young teammates, and also, the known is better than the unknown. Carr knows he can succeed here for sure. Leaving is Brandon Carr's last option if the Chiefs don't want him, or aren't willing to give him fair money. Notice I didn't say outstanding, Carr will come for fair, which is in Flowers ballpark. Carr may take a bit less to stay though, given his inclination to stay.

Great, so we'll be paying our starting corners $95 million instead of $100 million.

It just doesn't sound like a Pioli deal.

Coogs · 02-06-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

To be fair, in this scenario, there is no better value.

Everything else is either a major reach or a right tackle, guard, or running back.

This scenario is our worst possible thing that could happen IMO. We spend our 1st round draft pick to make out team exactly the same as it was before with Carr. So in a sense, we just forfeit our 1st round pick.

**RealSNR** · 02-06-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I really don't agree. He's got great size, near-elite speed, and good ballskills.

The pot thing doesn't scare me off any more than it did with Justin Houston.

Hell, I'll take this guy in the 3rd round

Direckshun · 02-06-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

This scenario is our worst possible thing that could happen IMO. We spend our 1st round draft pick to make out team exactly the same as it was before with Carr. So in a sense, we just forfeit our 1st round pick.

While I understand what you're saying, Kirkpatrick projects to essentially be Brandon Carr, for at least $30-35 million cheaper.

Money that could be, ostensibly, spent on something awesome like a potential franchise nose or quarterback.

Direckshun · 02-06-2012, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charming?

Hell, I'll take this guy in the 3rd round

AMEN.

Coogs · 02-06-2012, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

While I understand what you're saying, Kirkpatrick projects to essentially be Brandon Carr, for at least $30-35 million cheaper.

Not per year. And we already have 30-35 million to play with.

htismaqe · 02-06-2012, 09:54 PM

Gettis in the 7th is precisely what this team needs to be doing with the OL in the draft.

Gettis is another high floor/low ceiling guy - certainly not as good as Marshall Yanda but in that mold.

Not sure he's center material though.

gonefishin53 · 02-06-2012, 11:35 PM

Direckshun:

Rashard Hall just had knee surgery and will be returning to Clemson for the 2012 season.

http://www.clemsontigers.com/sports/...012612aab.html

Direckshun · 02-06-2012, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by gonefishin53

Direckshun:

Rashard Hall just had knee surgery and will be returning to Clemson for the 2012 season.

http://www.clemsontigers.com/sports/...012612aab.html

Yeah, that was brought to my attention earlier in the thread. Thanks.

The spirit of the selection still counts, I suppose.

02-06-2012, 02:16 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Mock Draft (2/6/12) I'm just going to get ridiculous here and play the game I want to play. I am not going to be committing to need as much as might be demanded. I'm just going to give you guys a little bit of a look as to some alternate ideas the Chiefs could embrace. Assumptions: 1. ILB Jovan Belcher is tendered. 4. WR Dwayne Bowe is franchised. 5. The Chiefs are outbid on Brandon Carr and Wallace Gilberry, losing both. 6. FB Le'Ron McClain, TE Leonard Pope, ILB Brandon Siler, OLB Andy Studebaker, CB Travis Daniels, and S Jon McGraw are all signed to one-year deals. 7. RB Thomas Jones, WR Jerheme Urban, OT Barry Richardson, C Casey Wiegmann, NT Kelly Gregg are all parted with. On with the show. 1. CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama Losing Brandon Carr? Fear not. Well... fear a little. You're losing a starting caliber, big-bodied corner who plays the angles so well, he's in the rare echelon of corners that quarterbacks simply don't test. The problem is, he's going to cost $50 million when you've already spent that on your other corner. Resigning Carr would be good for the on-field product, but potentially ugly for the cap situation. So, let's go with somebody bigger than Carr, and faster than Carr. Somebody that will be able to play that incredibly valuable role that Carr plays: the ability to be left out on the island against some of the most physically intimidating receivers the NFL has to offer. If we let Carr go, Kirkpatrick is our best pick. No QBs justify the #11/#12 overall, and all the other talent play the devalued positions of right tackle, guard, or running back. Let's stay with the tried and true pattern of spending the best picks on the best players at the best positions, and continue this rebuild at the fastest possible speed. 2. DE/DT Derek Wolfe, Cincinnati This is a pretty narrow draft if you're looking for somebody to create havoc in your opponent's backfield from the middle of the defensive line. Ever Brockers and Still, the two best defensive tackles in the 2012 draft class, aren't sack artists. Wolfe is. With Dorsey likely in the last year of his contract, and Allen Bailey on deck to fill his spot, the Chiefs will need to continue beefing up their defensive line rotation to wear down offensive lines over the course of the season. And unlike Dorsey (and Jackson), Wolfe is a tireless machine who lives in the backfield. He totaled 9.5 sacks last season. No other tackle comes close. If he somehow slips down into the second round, this is a pick we'd be smart to make. 3. OT Mitchell Schwartz, California A team captain, Schwartz is the kind of offensive lineman that Pioli drools over. He is huge with fantastic athleticism. I thought this guy looked great all season for Cal, but in that mid-round overachiever way. His performance at the Senior Bowl was aces, however, opening up great lanes and stoning at both tackle positions. A born and bred right tackle. 4. RB Isaiah Pead, Cincinnati We all saw Pead spring out at the Senior Bowl. Such great athleticism and ability to blast through holes. Jamaal Charles is a brilliant runner, but we can't rely on him coming off his horrific injury. At the very least, Pead offers this team yet another playmaker who will try harder than everybody else on the field. 5. RB Tauren Poole, Tennessee The bruiser this team needs, Poole boasts good size and great vision. Thomas Jones is out the door and Battle has no contract. Poole is tailor-made for the zone blocking system, and size-wise is a perfect compliment for Charles, Pead, and McCluster. 6. FS Rashard Hall, Clemson Hall is a really special athlete by late-round standards, and his highlight reels have all kinds of high-flying acrobatics as he makes countless plays on the ball. Hall is a ball hawk that this team sorely needs to groom behind Kendrick Lewis and push him for that starting position. Hall's weakness is between the ears, primarily as he struggles with discipline and keeping his assignments. I am taking the assumption at this point that Hall can be coached up. 7. C/OG Adam Gettis, Iowa A perfect Pioli offensive lineman prospect. He comes from a school that loves offensive line, and Pioli's no doubt been spying him for months as he plays a couple spots down from Riley Reiff. Gettis (the guy opening the hole above on the left) is super athletic, and can pull as well as most of the prospects coming out in this draft. It's a perfect fit for Kansas City. The problem is that he's only 280 lbs. You can start him on the interior line depth chart behind Darryl Harris as Asamoah, Hudson, and Lilja man the posts. But he's going to take a year or so to get up to the size he needs to be at. If you can get him there, he already has the skillset he needs to be successful. Last edited by Direckshun; 02-06-2012 at 02:48 PM..
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8099900	Gettis in the 7th is precisely what this team needs to be doing with the OL in the draft. Gettis is another high floor/low ceiling guy - certainly not as good as Marshall Yanda but in that mold. Not sure he's center material though.
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gonefishin53 Starter Join Date: Dec 2010 Casino cash: $10011999	Direckshun: Rashard Hall just had knee surgery and will be returning to Clemson for the 2012 season. http://www.clemsontigers.com/sports/...012612aab.html
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