Worried: Someone tell me why we won't get murdered by Atlanta.

[Frankie]

Our D might well end up a good one as the season progresses. But I'm very very worried about the first game. Not just to lose, but to lose discouragingly big.

1- Our DL while solid has not shown signs of wreaking havoc in the opponents' backfield. Yes I'm told that's the style of 34 Romeo plays. But wait....

2- Without Tamba Hali Ryan will have all day to throw, especially considering point 1.

3- The thought of Roddy White, Julio Jones, and Gonzo, against our depleted secondary stresses me to almost puking.

This is gonna be one of those games when we see passes completed against our D with scary consistency. The only way we have any chance to win this is if we can manage long time consuming run heavy drives that would keep the Atlanta O on the bench for the majority of the game. Maybe that's why Daboll was emphasizing the run in the last preseason game so much.

Tell me something hopeful.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by PGM

The bust rate for 2nd rounders is 50 percent. 3rd round? 70

So Pioli, the highest paid GM in football, is excused from picking Dexter McCluster. Got it.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by TEX

Tha G.M. just can't swing and miss on a QB and HC. IMO, he's done it twice with the HC.

I'm not concerned about HC as much as QB.

QB is FAR more important.

See Tony Dungy.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, I would too.



But I'd really like to have a great team with a great QB.


I'm not as down on Pioli as some but I'm also not as high on him as some. He's done a pretty solid job building the roster, but without the QB it might prove to be an exercise in futility.

Who do you want him to take the past three years?

Sanchez? Clausen? Weeden?

Let's be serious, the Chiefs, under Pioli, really haven't had the opportunity to pick a first rounder that wasn't a complete reach.

I'm all for picking a QB in the first round, but let's get a good QB versus reach for a project.

Next year is the year. You've got four guys who'll get graded out as first round prospects. Cassel's contract is over in 2014. The media is now putting on the full press for a QB. So's the fan base. The 2013 draft is the one where a really good QB is going to be there for the Chiefs and it won't be a reach.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Who do you want him to take the past three years?

Sanchez? Clausen? Weeden?

Let's be serious, the Chiefs, under Pioli, really haven't had the opportunity to pick a first rounder that wasn't a complete reach.

I'm all for picking a QB in the first round, but let's get a good QB versus reach for a project.

Next year is the year. You've got four guys who'll get graded out as first round prospects. Cassel's contract is over in 2014. The media is now putting on the full press for a QB. So's the fan base. The 2013 draft is the one where a really good QB is going to be there for the Chiefs and it won't be a reach.

So you expect the Chiefs to be bad again and draft top 10 again? That's the only way they get a top QB. And even that's iffy. I've stopped worrying so much about who they draft. None of us can change anything anyways.
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[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

So you expect the Chiefs to be bad again and draft top 10 again? That's the only way they get a top QB. And even that's iffy. I've stopped worrying so much about who they draft. None of us can change anything anyways.
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All 4 QBs won't be drafted top 10.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Who do you want him to take the past three years?

Sanchez? Clausen? Weeden?

Let's be serious, the Chiefs, under Pioli, really haven't had the opportunity to pick a first rounder that wasn't a complete reach.

I'm all for picking a QB in the first round, but let's get a good QB versus reach for a project.

Next year is the year. You've got four guys who'll get graded out as first round prospects. Cassel's contract is over in 2014. The media is now putting on the full press for a QB. So's the fan base. The 2013 draft is the one where a really good QB is going to be there for the Chiefs and it won't be a reach.

Andy Dalton, Michael Vick, Russell Wilson Tj Yates, Josh Freeman off of the top of my head.

Cassel has shown without a run game he is ineffective, I would rather have any of the qb's above than Cassel

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Dave

All 4 QBs won't be drafted top 10.

Probably true. But to have a decent shot at a top guy you have to be bad. Aaron Rodgers only happen once in a blue moon.
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[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

So you expect the Chiefs to be bad again and draft top 10 again? That's the only way they get a top QB. And even that's iffy. I've stopped worrying so much about who they draft. None of us can change anything anyways.
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No, I expect one of those four guys to be there when the Chiefs pick. Barkley, Wilson, Smith or Jones. Near identical skill sets that would really fit with the team and coaching staff as it now stands. And you can throw Glennon into the mix if he has a big year. He's a very nice player as well.

Four, possibly five, QB's that are first round material. The Chiefs will have the opportunity to get one and with Cassel's contract expiring in 2014 and Quinn and Stanzi's lacklusterness, the media and fan pressure, solid young players at most positions, it's gonna happen. I'm smelling QB in 2013 for the Chiefs.

[Hammock Parties]

Pioli is not going to pick a QB.

He made zero effort to replace or push Cassel this past offseason when it made a mountain of sense to do so.

Would have been really easy to sign Kyle Orton and have him waiting in the wings if Cassel started 0-3 again.

Russell Wilson or Nick Foles would have been excellent picks. Both offer far more potential, and have more ability than Quinn or Stanzi.

Pioli just isn't interested in any other QBs.

He's got his guy.

Only way to get rid of Cassel is to get rid of Pioli. I firmly believe that.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Pioli is not going to pick a QB.

He made zero effort to replace or push Cassel this past offseason when it made a mountain of sense to do so.

Would have been really easy to sign Kyle Orton and have him waiting in the wings if Cassel started 0-3 again.

Orton

Come on, man.

[Hammock Parties]

Orton is a lot better than Quinn. No one can argue than that.

This is easily a 10-6/11-5 team with Kyle Orton.

With Cassel? Might be a 7 or 8 win team.

Sign Kyle Orton and you at least present the picture that you tried to find a viable alternative.

Quinn was a BS signing that only true fans put any value in.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by Dave

Orton

Come on, man.

Orton threw for more YPG and passing first downs, had a better rating and record than Cassel did in 2011 with the Chiefs. He did that with about 6 days worth of practice with a team he had never played with before. Even if he didn't start here he would of been a viable backup to Cassel.

[Hammock Parties]

God dammit.

I swear to god I am not New World Order.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Andy Dalton, Michael Vick, Russell Wilson Tj Yates, Josh Freeman off of the top of my head.

Cassel has shown without a run game he is ineffective, I would rather have any of the qb's above than Cassel

C'mon man.

If the Chiefs picked any of those guys in the first or second round, this place would have imploded and I wouldn't have touched Dog Killer with a ten foot pole when he was parolled.

That those guys worked out, and Dalton, Wilson and Freeman all have more to prove regardless, is irrelevant. Freeman was a reach and Dalton, Wilson and Yates aren't/weren't first round talents. Sometimes you are lucky and sometimes you are really lucky as the Colts were this draft.

However, there are four, maybe five guys this next draft who are basically the same player. All very good QB's. One should be available when the Chiefs pick. If they don't, they don't, but the opportunity to grab a real first round guy is going to be there this next draft. Or it should. You never know what lunatic team trades up or whathaveyou, but in a straight forward draft, this is going to be the Chiefs best opportunity to get a graded out first round guy since Aaron Rogers and Brady Quinn. (Though, oddly enough, we now have Quinn. Maybe the team is okay with/agrees with Coogs and thinks he's the QBOTF.)

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Orton threw for more YPG and passing first downs, had a better rating and record than Cassel did in 2011 with the Chiefs. He did that with about 6 days worth of practice with a team he had never played with before. Even if he didn't start here he would of been a viable backup to Cassel.

You're comparing him to Cassel?

Not a good measuring stick.

Yes, Orton played well, but struggled in the red zone.