Chiefs Head Coach Question - Page 5

Marada · 10-14-2012, 10:30 PM

After 6 games this season it's apparent and I agree that wholesale changes need to be made. A question I have is what ever happened to Al Saunders. I thought at one time he was in line for the Chiefs Head Coach job. I would love to see him with the talent that we have on this team and work with it. I can't think of anyone else that might be able to repolorize the fan base as he could. He was popular.

dallaschiefsfan · 10-15-2012, 01:34 PM

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Cam Cameron was 1-15 and failed 4 years at Indiana. He'll never be a head coach anywhere again.

Nolan failed in SF and was even given the number one overall draft pick in Alex Smith. Fail.

Spags was awful in St. Louis and his defense in New Orleans is the main reason why they're 1-4.

Sparano went from "Run Game Coodinator" to head coach because of his association with Parcells. He was awful and isn't burning up the league in New York with the Jets.

Haslett? Um, no. Del Rio? No. McDaniels? Maybe, someday, if he proves he can do something without Belichick.

Yup. Like I said...not a real inspiring bunch.

whoman69 · 10-15-2012, 01:34 PM

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Not a chance.

He failed miserably in San Francisco and that was with the number one overal pick spent on Alex Smith.

Some guys are just better coordinators than head coaches.

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That's your first choice? Jesus.

Its the only way to get his defense here. Alex Smith took 7 years to get it, and really he still isn't a great answer at QB. Did you drink the Kool Aid and forget that they tried to replace him in the off season? I think Nolan is the biggest reason for the improvement of the Falcons this year. He's had great defenses everywhere he went. Mike McCarthy was the OC at SF and couldn't get Alex Smith going. Norv did a little better by running Gore 300 times the next year. By the time Nolan was ushered out the door, their best QB was Shaun Hill.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-15-2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Its the only way to get his defense here. Alex Smith took 7 years to get it, and really he still isn't a great answer at QB. Did you drink the Kool Aid and forget that they tried to replace him in the off season? I think Nolan is the biggest reason for the improvement of the Falcons this year. He's had great defenses everywhere he went. Mike McCarthy was the OC at SF and couldn't get Alex Smith going. Norv did a little better by running Gore 300 times the next year. By the time Nolan was ushered out the door, their best QB was Shaun Hill.

Nolan is not head coaching material.

Period, end of story.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-15-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Yup. Like I said...not a real inspiring bunch.

Hiring a retread isn't the answer. If there's a new GM, hopefully he'll have a plan prepared for the Chiefs that doesn't include one.

Brock · 10-15-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Its the only way to get his defense here. Alex Smith took 7 years to get it, and really he still isn't a great answer at QB. Did you drink the Kool Aid and forget that they tried to replace him in the off season? I think Nolan is the biggest reason for the improvement of the Falcons this year. He's had great defenses everywhere he went. Mike McCarthy was the OC at SF and couldn't get Alex Smith going. Norv did a little better by running Gore 300 times the next year. By the time Nolan was ushered out the door, their best QB was Shaun Hill.

Wade Phillips is a better DC than Nolan. Maybe we should hire him as HC.

dallaschiefsfan · 10-15-2012, 01:44 PM

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Hiring a retread isn't the answer. If there's a new GM, hopefully he'll have a plan prepared for the Chiefs that doesn't include one.

Well...6 of the last 10 Super Bowl winners were on their 2nd gig...and the other 4 were on their first gig...so I'm cool with it as long as it's not a hire that's best known for the "tree" they come from or a guy stubbornly committed to a system...his players be damned.

R8RFAN · 10-15-2012, 01:46 PM

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-15-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Well...6 of the last 10 Super Bowl winners were on their 2nd gig...and the other 4 were on their first gig...so I'm cool with it as long as it's not a hire that's best known for the "tree" they come from or a guy stubbornly committed to a system...his players be damned.

Well, keep in mind that Belichick and Coughlin both won Super Bowls as assistants before winning as head coaches, so I think it's a little different than outright hiring a guy that's failed elsewhere (Nolan, Del Rio, etc.).

ChiefsCountry · 10-15-2012, 02:07 PM

Russ Ball as GM.

Head Coaching choices:
Winston Moss, Packers Assitant Head Coach
Jay Gruden, Bengals OC
Dave Toub, Bears ST Coach (Ironically replaced Ball at Mizzou)
Pete Carmichael, Saints OC
Gus Bradley, Seahawks DC

**The Franchise** · 10-15-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Russ Ball as GM.

Head Coaching choices:
Winston Moss, Packers Assitant Head Coach
Jay Gruden, Bengals OC
Dave Toub, Bears ST Coach (Ironically replaced Ball at Mizzou)
Pete Carmichael, Saints OC
Gus Bradley, Seahawks DC

I'm really starting to hop on the Bradley bandwagon. As long as he doesn't try and be the HC and the DC at the same time.

**Easy 6** · 10-15-2012, 03:59 PM

I'm becoming more open to the idea of a retread who maybe didnt fare so well at his last stop, the impetus for that change of heart is Pete Carroll... i NEVER liked that guy & knew in my soul that he would be an abymal failure in seattle.

Instead, he has put together a murderers row of big, fast ruthless rapists on both sides of the ball, even had the rocks to pay big jack to Flynn & then bench him in favor of an unproven rookie... if there is a Most Improved Coach award, its gotta go to that guy.

Of course, we also took a shot on a guy who didnt fare well at his last stop...

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-15-2012, 04:05 PM

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I'm becoming more open to the idea of a retread who maybe didnt fare so well at his last stop, the impetus for that change of heart is Pete Carroll... i NEVER liked that guy & knew in my soul that he would be an abymal failure in seattle.

Instead, he has put together a murderers row of big, fast ruthless rapists on both sides of the ball, even had the rocks to pay big jack to Flynn & then bench him in favor of an unproven rookie... if there is a Most Improved Coach award, its gotta go to that guy.

Of course, we also took a shot on a guy who didnt fare well at his last stop...

Pete Carroll is a Super Bowl winning defensive coordinator. He was fine in New England going 10-6, 9-7 then 8-8 (and Belichick followed up with 5-11 after Carroll's firing). He was more than fine at USC, winning a national championship and sharing another.

He was fired in New England because Robert Kraft demanded more than mediocre and had his sights set on Belichick.

**Easy 6** · 10-15-2012, 04:09 PM

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Pete Carroll is a Super Bowl winning defensive coordinator. He was fine in New England going 10-6, 9-7 then 8-8 (and Belichick followed up with 5-11 after Carroll's firing). He was more than fine at USC, winning a national championship and sharing another.

He was fired in New England because Robert Kraft demanded more than mediocre and had his sights set on Belichick.

Yeah, pretty sure i let a lot of media perceptions at the time cloud my view of the guy.

He's doing an awesome job with seattle, they have good players, they have a definite swagger, their schemes are modern, the works.

saphojunkie · 10-15-2012, 04:14 PM

I think we should add Kevin Gilbride to the list. Six years as the Giants OC. They're top of the league in yards per attempt, and have consistently had a solid running game without being a ground and pound, "run first" team. They still throw it, and they throw it deep.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-15-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

Yeah, pretty sure i let a lot of media perceptions at the time cloud my view of the guy.

He's doing an awesome job with seattle, they have good players, they have a definite swagger, their schemes are modern, the works.

They're fun to watch. Pete is fun to watch. He clearly loves football, loves being around the guys and loves to coach. I'm not a Seahawks fan, per se, but I am a Pete fan.

I need to have something to root for these days...

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Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $-182225	I'm becoming more open to the idea of a retread who maybe didnt fare so well at his last stop, the impetus for that change of heart is Pete Carroll... i NEVER liked that guy & knew in my soul that he would be an abymal failure in seattle. Instead, he has put together a murderers row of big, fast ruthless rapists on both sides of the ball, even had the rocks to pay big jack to Flynn & then bench him in favor of an unproven rookie... if there is a Most Improved Coach award, its gotta go to that guy. Of course, we also took a shot on a guy who didnt fare well at his last stop...
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10-15-2012, 04:14 PM	#74
saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $2166550	I think we should add Kevin Gilbride to the list. Six years as the Giants OC. They're top of the league in yards per attempt, and have consistently had a solid running game without being a ground and pound, "run first" team. They still throw it, and they throw it deep.
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