Chiefs 2013 QB Class - Page 18

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:06 AM

This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it.

I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about.

The top three in this years class are in no particular order:

Geno Smith
Tyler Wilson
Matt Barkley

Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right.

So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false.

No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning.

Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask?

Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class.

2007
Jamarcus Russel
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm

2009
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen

2011
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker

Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL.

I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom.

So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.

kcbubb · 12-11-2012, 10:06 PM

Here's 7 QBs. Is Geno Smith that much better than the rest of these guys to spend your #1 pick on him?

Geno Smith QB West Virginia Sr 6-3 220
Matt Barkley QB Southern California Sr 6-2 230
Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas rSr 6-2 218
Ryan Nassib QB Syracuse rSr 6-2 228
*Aaron Murray QB Georgia rJr 6-1 212
Mike Glennon QB North Carolina State rSr 6-5 232
*Tyler Bray QB Tennessee Jr 6-5 215

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:07 PM

It's gonna be badass next year, when we are ripping shit up with Geno.

I've never been this excited for the Chiefs to lose 3 more games.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Here's 7 QBs. Is Geno Smith that much better than the rest of these guys to spend your #1 pick on him?

Geno Smith QB West Virginia Sr 6-3 220
Matt Barkley QB Southern California Sr 6-2 230
Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas rSr 6-2 218
Ryan Nassib QB Syracuse rSr 6-2 228
*Aaron Murray QB Georgia rJr 6-1 212
Mike Glennon QB North Carolina State rSr 6-5 232
*Tyler Bray QB Tennessee Jr 6-5 215

Have you watched Geno this year?

htismaqe · 12-11-2012, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Tyler Bray is just as physically talented as Geno Smith. He has all the upside.

You conveniently omitted all of the CONTEXT from the post I was responding to.

**the Talking Can** · 12-11-2012, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Here's 7 QBs. Is Geno Smith that much better than the rest of these guys to spend your #1 pick on him?

Geno Smith QB West Virginia Sr 6-3 220
Matt Barkley QB Southern California Sr 6-2 230
Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas rSr 6-2 218
Ryan Nassib QB Syracuse rSr 6-2 228
*Aaron Murray QB Georgia rJr 6-1 212
Mike Glennon QB North Carolina State rSr 6-5 232
*Tyler Bray QB Tennessee Jr 6-5 215

yes, and it really isn't close

why do you keep including murray? he's such a choke artist that uga fans egged his house this year...

it's comical to compare the two

Sorter · 12-11-2012, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Here's 7 QBs. Is Geno Smith that much better than the rest of these guys to spend your #1 pick on him?

Geno Smith QB West Virginia Sr 6-3 220
Matt Barkley QB Southern California Sr 6-2 230
Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas rSr 6-2 218
Ryan Nassib QB Syracuse rSr 6-2 228
*Aaron Murray QB Georgia rJr 6-1 212
Mike Glennon QB North Carolina State rSr 6-5 232
*Tyler Bray QB Tennessee Jr 6-5 215

Yes.

Sorter · 12-11-2012, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You conveniently omitted all of the CONTEXT from the post I was responding to.

It's because he's a moron.

**Dave Lane** · 12-11-2012, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69

On a recent poll 85% of CP members agreed that its QB or Bust in the first round this year.

So 15% of CPers are morans? I guess that shouldn't be surprising. Black hole Bob is so dense he counts as 5% himself.

Sorter · 12-11-2012, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

So 15% of CPers are morans? I guess that shouldn't be surprising. Black hole Bob is so dense he counts as 5% himself.

htismaqe · 12-11-2012, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Have you watched Geno this year?

Since he's obviously copying and pasting a list from scouting website, I would say no.

Oh and the fact that he posted earlier that he hasn't.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:12 PM

209 316 66.1 2566 8.1 24 8 154.35

Say a QB had these numbers his last year in college. Would you guys draft him?

Austin Ed · 12-11-2012, 10:12 PM

[QUOTE=the Talking Can;9201198]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Austin Ed

ask oklahoma's defense how he played...you can't throw for 4000 yards, 6 ints, at a 70% percent completion rate and have 'problems finding receivers'

i've never seen a guy get killed so bad for one truly bad game - kstate...

he carried the worst defense in college, regularly had to pass on 4th down, had to score 40 to even have a chance to win....and all people do is kill him for not winning a national championship

meanwhile we got people pimping life long choke artists like murray, or guys who have accomplished jack shit like bray...it's crazy

In addition to KSU and TTU, he was 32/54 with an Int against TCU, and 20/35 with two Ints against OU. No doubt he has an NFL arm and should be successful as a pro, but his stellar overall stats for the season are built on HUGE games against weaker opponents and good but not great games against some of the better teams he faced. There is a reason he dropped out of the Heisman picture after the TTU and KSU games.

**RealSNR** · 12-11-2012, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Here's 7 QBs. Is Geno Smith that much better than the rest of these guys to spend your #1 pick on him?

Geno Smith QB West Virginia Sr 6-3 220
Matt Barkley QB Southern California Sr 6-2 230
Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas rSr 6-2 218
Ryan Nassib QB Syracuse rSr 6-2 228
*Aaron Murray QB Georgia rJr 6-1 212
Mike Glennon QB North Carolina State rSr 6-5 232
*Tyler Bray QB Tennessee Jr 6-5 215

Yes.

Even if he wasn't, why would that matter? He's the best QB on the list. We need a QB. The non-QB positions at the top of the draft are ****ing atrocious if you don't count the Left reerun LB position.

So draft him.

Boom.

Done.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:16 PM

[QUOTE=Austin Ed;9201278]

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

In addition to KSU and TTU, he was 32/54 with an Int against TCU, and 20/35 with two Ints against OU. No doubt he has an NFL arm and should be successful as a pro, but his stellar overall stats for the season are built on HUGE games against weaker opponents and good but not great games against some of the better teams he faced. There is a reason he dropped out of the Heisman picture after the TTU and KSU games.

And in the OU and TCU game, he put his team ahead late in the fourth quarter only to have his defense **** it up.

Oh and he had 7 Td's in those games.

**RealSNR** · 12-11-2012, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Austin Ed

In addition to KSU and TTU, he was 32/54 with an Int against TCU, and 20/35 with two Ints against OU. No doubt he has an NFL arm and should be successful as a pro, but his stellar overall stats for the season are built on HUGE games against weaker opponents and good but not great games against some of the better teams he faced. There is a reason he dropped out of the Heisman picture after the TTU and KSU games.

The Heisman trophy is a great predictor of great pro QBs

Signed,
Tim Tebow, Troy Smith, Matt Leinart, Jason White, Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, etc.

12-11-2012, 10:06 AM
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-735936	2013 QB Class This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it. I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about. The top three in this years class are in no particular order: Geno Smith Tyler Wilson Matt Barkley Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right. So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false. No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning. Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask? Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class. 2007 Jamarcus Russel Brady Quinn Kevin Kolb 2008 Matt Ryan Joe Flacco Brian Brohm 2009 Matt Stafford Mark Sanchez Josh Freeman 2010 Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen 2011 Cam Newton Blaine Gabbert Jake Locker Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL. I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom. So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.
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kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $4986719	Here's 7 QBs. Is Geno Smith that much better than the rest of these guys to spend your #1 pick on him? Geno Smith QB West Virginia Sr 6-3 220 Matt Barkley QB Southern California Sr 6-2 230 Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas rSr 6-2 218 Ryan Nassib QB Syracuse rSr 6-2 228 Aaron Murray QB Georgia rJr 6-1 212 Mike Glennon QB North Carolina State rSr 6-5 232 Tyler Bray QB Tennessee Jr 6-5 215
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-735936	It's gonna be badass next year, when we are ripping shit up with Geno. I've never been this excited for the Chiefs to lose 3 more games.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-735936	209 316 66.1 2566 8.1 24 8 154.35 Say a QB had these numbers his last year in college. Would you guys draft him?
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