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Old 08-19-2013, 12:28 PM  
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Changes of Scenery: Turning a Bust into a Star
The Baldwin/Jenkins thread makes me wonder this.

What are some examples of guys who were busts for the team that drafted them, and then blossomed when they went to a new team?

I'm sure that some exist, but right now I'm having some trouble coming up with a good example. In particular, let's concentrate on high draft picks, but if you have others who languished and then became stars, throw them out there.

Favre flourished with his second team, but I'm not sure he was a bust with his first team. He just didn't play for them.

Priest Holmes flourished with his second team, but he was undrafted and had a 1,000 yard season with his first team.

Randy Moss flourished with New England after busting for Oakland, but he did pretty well with Minnesota before that.

Who ya got? Throw some names up here.
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:43 PM   #136
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:44 PM   #137
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I wonder if Kerry Collins qualifies?

He was really good for Carolina and then flamed out with the infamous clip of him smoking a stogie as he left the cop shop.

After that he went to a SB and took the Titans to a 13-3 record...
Yeah, he was okay with the Panthers, sucked with the Saints, went to New York and got to a super bowl, and then was okay in Tennessee.

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Old 08-20-2013, 03:58 AM   #138
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It seems the key to being a high round draft pick bust is being picked by a team that is locked into at least a decade of terrible play.

Several TB guys, Arizona. It is a bit shocking Detroits post-Barry run didn't produce anyone other than Mike Williams and that's stretching it.
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Charles Rogers, then Mike Williams, then Calvin.

I actually REALLY liked Charles Rogers. Drugs, and injuries ruined his career. He had real potential though.
I don't remember Mike Williams. I remember Roy Williams. Fast, but he was always getting hurt.
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I don't remember Mike Williams. I remember Roy Williams. Fast, but he was always getting hurt.
I knew there was another one, but I couldn't remember who it was. They were both Lions WR flops. Roy wasn't so bad, I guess, but he definitely never lived up to his draft spot.
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I wonder if Kerry Collins qualifies?

He was really good for Carolina and then flamed out with the infamous clip of him smoking a stogie as he left the cop shop.

After that he went to a SB and took the Titans to a 13-3 record...
Collins & Dilfer. The 2 worst NFL QBs to get super bowl rings.
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I don't remember Mike Williams. I remember Roy Williams. Fast, but he was always getting hurt.
Mike Williams. The Guy from Southern Cal. Took the year off with Clarett. Played with the seahawks two years ago.
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Collins & Dilfer. The 2 worst NFL QBs to get super bowl rings.
Do you mean Brad Johnson and Dilfer?
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I knew there was another one, but I couldn't remember who it was. They were both Lions WR flops. Roy wasn't so bad, I guess, but he definitely never lived up to his draft spot.
The Lions drafted Rodgers, Roy Williams and Mike Williams back to back to back in the 1st round in 2003, 2004, 2005.
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Do you mean Brad Johnson and Dilfer?
IIRC, Brad Johnson had a career year in 2002 when TB won the super bowl, and was actually a very good QB. He was sort of the anti-Alex. Lousy efficiency but decent production.

I am under the impression that Doug Williams and Rob Johnson were a step up from Dilfer & Colllins, but I could well be wrong.
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IIRC, Brad Johnson had a career year in 2002 when TB won the super bowl, and was actually a very good QB. He was sort of the anti-Alex. Lousy efficiency but decent production.
Your memory is completely faulty.

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I am under the impression that Doug Williams and Rob Johnson were a step up from Dilfer & Colllins, but I could well be wrong.
Rob Johnson, the USC QB drafted by Jacksonville, traded to Buffalo and was later with the Bucs? He sucked ass. Strong arm, no accuracy.

Doug Williams was a very good quarterback on a some very bad Tampa Bay teams, although he did take his team to their first NFC Championship. He was very good in the USFL and won a Super Bowl in Washington.
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IIRC, Brad Johnson had a career year in 2002 when TB won the super bowl, and was actually a very good QB. He was sort of the anti-Alex. Lousy efficiency but decent production.

I am under the impression that Doug Williams and Rob Johnson were a step up from Dilfer & Colllins, but I could well be wrong.
I was going more down the line of Kerry Collins not having a SB ring.
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Some of the plays he was able to make year 1 and 2 in Pitt were just freakish. For a guy his size it didn't seem possible...
Watching Bettis in action gave me a hardon, he could literally crush backers but also had those oh-so nimble feet and deceptive quicks.

I'd love for the Chiefs to find his reincarnation.
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