Hey Sorter, can ya gimme da 411?

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

From Pioli's 10 things.

8. The impact of Fantasy Football has shifted fan reaction and behavior in a way that makes it much more difficult for fans to understand the real jobs of a GM and coach. A large number of fans want NFL teams to be built “fantasy style” with top name players and top stats players. Over the last 10 years, I can’t tell you how many times I have heard comments from fans about the lack of opportunities that “their” players were getting. I’m sure Fantasy Football is good for the business of football, but it’s not good for players to hear they should be getting the ball more—or for teams just trying to do whatever it takes to win a game, not just compile stats.

I need some help sorting this out.

I never played organized football of any kind, and on a good day understand the game as well as the average schmoe. I know nothing about fantasy football other than I want to be the punter.

Would the top 5 GMs in the NFL be the top 5 GMs in the FFL? I am genuinely interested in understanding the differences and similarities between the two leagues.

You seem to be knowledgeable on a level I can't even comprehend on all things NFL, so I singled you out purely out of respect. I am interested in others' takes, as well.

Having typed all that, discuss.

Dinny

[Dave Lane]

**** off and die Mr. Pioli.

Respectfully submitted

Executive of the 80's
Mr. Dave Lane

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

**** off and die Mr. Pioli.

Respectfully submitted

Executive of the 80's
Mr. Dave Lane

Thanks for the input, Dave. You have given me much to ponder, yet I still seek enlightenment.

Dinny

[Red Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Dinny Blues

You seem to be knowledgeable on a level I can't even comprehend on all things NFL, so I singled you out purely out of respect.

No disrespect intended to Sorter but, he seems like the wrong guy to ask a hypothetical question. He's more of a "fact" type of guy.

[TimBone]

Not sure what you mean by would a top 5 GM in the league be top 5 in Fantasy football. Fantasy football generally is simply a game of trying to stock up on the most offensive playmakers using a snaking style draft. Then you plug in the guys you drafted into a line up usually consisting of 1 QB, 2 RB's, 2 WR's, 1 TE, 1 K, and 1 team Defense. The GM's don't really come into play. There are, of course, different variations of Fantasy Football. You can have different line ups, some leagues use different methods of drafting, some leagues use individual defensive players rather than a team Defense. But no GM's. maybe I'm misunderstanding the question. If not, hope that helps.

[RealSNR]

All I know is the more FF leagues you win, the bigger your penis is

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by SNR

All I know is the more FF leagues you win, the bigger your penis is

That's not how it's working out for me...

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

Originally Posted by McFly

Not sure what you mean by would a top 5 GM in the league be top 5 in Fantasy football. Fantasy football generally is simply a game of trying to stock up on the most offensive playmakers using a snaking style draft. Then you plug in the guys you drafted into a line up usually consisting of 1 QB, 2 RB's, 2 WR's, 1 TE, 1 K, and 1 team Defense. The GM's don't really come into play. There are, of course, different variations of Fantasy Football. You can have different line ups, some leagues use different methods of drafting, some leagues use individual defensive players rather than a team Defense. But no GM's. maybe I'm misunderstanding the question. If not, hope that helps.

Yeah, my question confuses me, too. I truly just don't know what I don't know.

What if an NFL GM ran his franchise the same way an FFL GM runs his. Do the same principles apply? Let's say Ozzie Newsome is considered a succesful NFL GM, would he be banned from the FFL because he would just kick everyone's ass every year?

I'm just wondering if NFL owners need to start searching the FFL for GM talent in order to be successful in "today's" NFL.

Is there another way to score points in the FFL than touchdowns, PATs, FGs and safeties?

Dinny

[TimBone]

Originally Posted by Dinny Blues

Yeah, my question confuses me, too. I truly just don't know what I don't know.

What if an NFL GM ran his franchise the same way an FFL GM runs his. Do the same principles apply? Let's say Ozzie Newsome is considered a succesful NFL GM, would he be banned from the FFL because he would just kick everyone's ass every year?

I'm just wondering if NFL owners need to start searching the FFL for GM talent in order to be successful in "today's" NFL.

Dinny

Is there another way to score points in the FFL than touchdowns, PATs, FGs and safeties?

Fantasy players score points for everything including yardage, receptions, touchdowns, pass completions. Once again, any league can choose to make their scoring system different, so it varies. One league may choose not to give points for a reception, while another league may give you a full point for a reception. That would make a Welker type receiver who catches a ton of short or intermediate passes more valuable than someone who racks up a bunch more yards but with fewer catches.

As far as the GM thing goes, I think you may be thinking that FF is a lot more in depth than it actually is. It's basically just selecting the stars of the NFL in a draft and plugging them into a lineup. The average fantasy guy may be more knowledgeable than the average fan just due on having to know the depth chart for the skill positions of all the NFL teams, or by knowing which defenses are susceptible to the pass or run......but that by no means would qualify them to be an NFL GM.

[Sorter]

I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to fantasy football but it seems to me that most of your questions have been adequately addressed.

[Direckshun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ

[crossbow]

I am by no means an expert on modern NFL but here is my worthless take based on observing the league for over 40 years.

I thought the successful franchises had GM's that:

1) Had a vision of how the team should be constructed based on their division, weather, location.
2) Hired a head coach that shared their vision and would manage the team with that style.
3) Had enough social skills to sign draft picks and free agents and not alienate the fans.
4) Did all of this behind the scenes and was able to avoid making himself the focus of the franchise.

Or if none of that worked then just go out and draft a stud QB that won lots of games so that people were willing to overlook him being a jerk.

In FF you just try to guess who is going to have the best stats and draft those guys. That would not necessarily equate to success in real life. You couldn't afford to have all the good players on one team. The best coaches and GMs in real life would hate FF. They have stat busting players because of the things they did to make it that way. In FF you can't game plan, adjust to the other team, or basically have much input to the outcome of anything except deciding who starts.

[ChiefRocka]

Fantasy rewards the numbers that star players put up on a week to week basis. For example, Adrian Peterson can have 10yds rushing through 3.5 qtrs of football and the Vikes could be down 80 points in the game but if he busts an 85yd run for a TD in garbage time, most likely you will win your game that week.

NFL GM success does not equate to Fantasy GM success in the slightest.

[TimBone]

These fellas worded it way better than I did.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by SNR

All I know is the more FF leagues you win, the bigger your penis is

No wonder mine is so small