Chiefs Late night bullshit: breaking down the tape on our defense. - Page 6

Direckshun · 09-08-2013, 10:28 PM

Just random thoughts on multiple viewings of our defensive snaps:

* During the first half (and the first half of the third quarter) the Chiefs were a fantastic, totally modern assortment of how they preferred to line up their DL. They played Poe 90% of the time, and they played him at nose and end. They played DeVito like 70%, and they played him at nose occasionally. They played Tyson Jackson about 70% of the time, and played him at both end positions. Catapano is our rotational guy.

* Catapano got some great snaps in, and looks incredibly promising -- a guy who was initially brought in as an OLB, but was insanely strong so the staff was like **** it, we have no depth at DE, let's try him out there. Not only does he give you extra athleticism, but the guy is stout as a mother****er against the run. You cannot run against the Chiefs.

* Let me say that again: you cannot run against the Chiefs. Jackson and DeVito are already incredibly good against the run, and Poe has finally developed to be perhaps the best of the bunch. Catapano has proven himself adept as well. Houston, Berry, Jordan, and DJ all serve their roles brilliantly in plugging gaps.

* That's probably the biggest difference between the Chiefs defense under Herm, Haley, and Crennel, compared to Reid. Under Reid (i.e. Bob Sutton), the Chiefs' gap integrity has so far been unrivaled. The entire defense moves as a singular cohesive unit. Poe is commanding double- and triple-teams, Jackson and DeVito are owning tackles, Houston and Hali are cutting off the edges, and Jordan, Johnson, and Berry are plugging gaps brilliantly.

* There are so many brilliant talents on this defense, but the emotional tone setters are clearly Hali and Flowers. Poe, Houston, Johnson, Berry, and all the others are very talented, but the emotional leaders on this defense right now are Hali and Flowers, and it looks like Berry is about a season or so away from getting there as well. Hali's hustle spreads like a virus across this defense, and you can see his pursuit borne out in Houston, DJ, Berry, Poe, and Jackson.

* Poe... what else can be said about this guy. His play today suggests he could keep developing to become the best DT this team has had since the franchise's Super Bowl days. There is only so much you can do against an all-muscle 330 lbs that's faster than most offensive lineman and stronger than most offensive lineman. You can tell his technique is developing, and the Chiefs are throwing him into all kinds of twists and stunts to create mismatches. My favorite play was probably his combined sack with Eric Berry.

* Eric Berry is being played like a linebacker, and against the Jags he played roughly 10% of his snaps at the line of scrimmage. His coverage has improved but the very best part of Berry's game: he is unblockable. Sending out offensive lineman to block him is a fool's errand. He sheds blocks like nobody's business.

* The Chiefs stuffed the box against the Jags -- they did more than stuff the box, they stuffed the line of scrimmage. So many times they lined up 7 guys along the line of scrimmage, some of them dropping back and some of them rushing. I still don't like Hali dropping back. Houston is money in coverage, though. He was on the field for every defensive snap because he is so ****ing versatile.

* Great game from Kendrick Lewis, too. Played very aggressive, lots of snaps up against the line of scrimmage. The Chiefs are treating Lewis as the FS and Berry as more of the SS, but they are mixing Lewis up all over the field, treating him as more of a hybrid between the safeties, while Berry is part-timing as a linebacker.

* If Jackson can rack up a half dozen sacks while being rock solid against the run, we should seriously work our ass off to resign him this offseason. He will be as close to that guy we drafted #3 overall as anything else we could possibly bring in.

* This defense has the talent and the defensive coordinator to be a Top 5 defense. It's definitely a Top 10 defense. The Cowboys game will be a phenomenal challenge, as Romo will willingly challenge our corners more aggressively, and Sean Smith, Husain Abdullah, and Quentin Demps will be challenged far more frequently. We can still be exposed in the passing game: Hali will have a bear of a time against Tyron Smith, but Houston and Poe should pave a path to Romo that Berry and DJ can follow. But if that passrush doesn't come as quickly as it needs to, then Sean Smith can get exposed if he's not on his game, which he all-too-frequently isn't. I don't fear any of Dallas' tertiary receivers against our nickel- and dime-backs, but I do fear Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, and Jason Witten against Sean Smith, Brandon Flowers, and Eric Berry.

But the Cowboys will not run on the Chiefs. Nobody will, this year.

**Canofbier** · 09-09-2013, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

we are the highest spending team in the NFL we better do a hell of a lot more than just shut down a shit team like Jax.

Where did you get that info from? According to this neat interactive graphic, we're only the 7th highest-spending team in the league.

Mike in SW-MO · 09-09-2013, 07:18 AM

I think Poe's biggest improvement from last year is his ability to shed blockers. Last year blockers that could not move him could tie him up. Yesterday he was shedding blockers at will.
Gonna be fun watching this kid.

**Dave Lane** · 09-09-2013, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

The truly crazy thing is the lack of perspective from Pioli to recognize the players required for the scheme his coaches were executing. He drafted the wrong players for the wrong scheme: a true disaster.

No the true disaster is utilizing talent that we had in the wrong scheme, now that's just moronic

**Anyong Bluth** · 09-09-2013, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

And with Smith being reliable yet unspectacular in not turning over the ball, damn near every game will be watchable, and dare I say...winnable.

(Please dont let this simple post turn this tread into a QB debate....maybe I should delete this post.)

Not to mention the limited number of 3 and out, and last year we were stringing together quite a number of those. Hell, we didn't lead in a game until week 46 and had our defense on the field playing from behind and winded almost exclusively!

**MahiMike** · 09-09-2013, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red

Football question - Containing MJD all day seems noteworthy, however I'm unsure if MJD is washed,can someone confirm or deny this? I really don't remember last season's numbers with regards to this particular ninja's rushing numbers.

Watching from the stands, it sure didn't seem like he was running very hard. He looks like a guy on a team that knows he's gonna get stuffed every game. They can't pass so he's their only option. I think he's tired of it.

Too bad. Used to be a good dude.

**Buehler445** · 09-09-2013, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

Watching from the stands, it sure didn't seem like he was running very hard. He looks like a guy on a team that knows he's gonna get stuffed every game. They can't pass so he's their only option. I think he's tired of it.

Too bad. Used to be a good dude.

Used to be a great player. If he'd have landed somewhere where they could have used him in a Darren Sprolles type role, He could have done some great things.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-09-2013, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

we are the highest spending team in the NFL we better do a hell of a lot more than just shut down a shit team like Jax.

I don't know why that even matters. I don't think anyone believes we are spending too much. This does not feel like a team loaded with overpriced veterans. If anything, our cap number is high because we had cap space, so we chose to absorb some big contracts in 2013.

mcaj22 · 09-09-2013, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't know why that even matters. I don't think anyone believes we are spending too much. This does not feel like a team loaded with overpriced veterans. If anything, our cap number is high because we had cap space, so we chose to absorb some big contracts in 2013.

spending team =/= cap number.

and it means a lot cause if you are shelling out the cash, you better be putting a good ****ing product on the field.

you want a team spending over 120 million to yield a losing record? Yea that's a great investment of players and coaches. Bottomline is when you spend a lot you should be competing with good teams and definitely should be pounding the piss out of teams like Jax.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-09-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

spending team =/= cap number.

and it means a lot cause if you are shelling out the cash, you better be putting a good ****ing product on the field.

you want a team spending over 120 million to yield a losing record? Yea that's a great investment of players and coaches. Bottomline is when you spend a lot you should be competing with good teams and definitely should be pounding the piss out of teams like Jax.

I don't think anyone has illusions that we are spending money to be a super bowl contender right away. We spent money, but we are focused on building a good young foundation and we aren't cap strapping future contracts.

Many of those contracts are front loaded and given how many guys we cut, a good chunk of that money is dead money for piolis players. If it felt like we were blindly and desperately throwing money at players, I'd feel differently.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-09-2013, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

Watching from the stands, it sure didn't seem like he was running very hard. He looks like a guy on a team that knows he's gonna get stuffed every game. They can't pass so he's their only option. I think he's tired of it.

Too bad. Used to be a good dude.

Curious to see how he does from here on out. I rewatched the first half, and holy shot were we good at closing off all the gaps and blocks and shedding. When you have defensive linemen consistently getting clean shots in a closed gap, not much the runner can do.

I imagine he can't bowl people over like he used to. But yesterday's game, it's hard to imagine many rbs succeeding. I ink some of that has to do with our defense, but even more has to do with how bad gabbert was.

O.city · 09-09-2013, 09:16 AM

Was brought up in another thread, so I'll bring it up here. I think Fisher played pretty well, and that pick is done so I'm moved on.

But look how good this DL played under Sutton. Now imagine lining up Sheldon Richardson along side Poe and Devito/Jackson.

Or Catapano, Sheldon, and Poe in subsets? Or Bailey in sub sets?

Oh well.

mcaj22 · 09-09-2013, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think anyone has illusions that we are spending money to be a super bowl contender right away. We spent money, but we are focused on building a good young foundation and we aren't cap strapping future contracts.

Many of those contracts are front loaded and given how many guys we cut, a good chunk of that money is dead money for piolis players. If it felt like we were blindly and desperately throwing money at players, I'd feel differently.

have you not been paying attention to how many contracts where restructured into bonus money and just paid in front as a lump sum?

Tyson Jackson, Flowers, Succup, then all the guys we cut that we still have to pay money, plus the current guys on the cap, plus all the other bonuses

probably close to 140-150 million in spending

chiefzilla1501 · 09-09-2013, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

have you not been paying attention to how many contracts where restructured into bonus money and just paid in front as a lump sum?

Tyson Jackson, Flowers, Succup, then all the guys we cut that we still have to pay money, plus the current guys on the cap, plus all the other bonuses

probably close to 140-150 million in spending

Branden Albert is on a cap heavy one year deal that drops either entirely in 2014 or gets signed into a far more reasonable cap figure. I think we'll over 11M is being paid out in dead money to the roster gutting, namely Winston, cassel, and breaston who alone account for 10m plus. Jackson took a pay cut and is still overpaid. His contract drops dramatically next year even if we keep him.

So I don't get what point you're trying to make. This team spent a shitload of money to gut the roster of dead weight. That means we pay a lot today to gie us long term roster flexibility and to cut out the crap. I don't know why doing that obligates us to win more games today. Our year 1 cap space means nothing and in no way obligates our team to be winning championships in year 1.

Mother****erJones · 09-09-2013, 10:04 AM

Funny that Hali caught that INT I wasn't expecting him to catch it although they practiced their dlineman catching passes.

Mother****erJones · 09-09-2013, 10:05 AM

We should get bailey back this week if he's ready after the passing of his father

09-08-2013, 10:28 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Late night bullshit: breaking down the tape on our defense. Just random thoughts on multiple viewings of our defensive snaps: * During the first half (and the first half of the third quarter) the Chiefs were a fantastic, totally modern assortment of how they preferred to line up their DL. They played Poe 90% of the time, and they played him at nose and end. They played DeVito like 70%, and they played him at nose occasionally. They played Tyson Jackson about 70% of the time, and played him at both end positions. Catapano is our rotational guy. * Catapano got some great snaps in, and looks incredibly promising -- a guy who was initially brought in as an OLB, but was insanely strong so the staff was like ** it, we have no depth at DE, let's try him out there. Not only does he give you extra athleticism, but the guy is stout as a mother*er against the run. You cannot run against the Chiefs. Let me say that again: you cannot run against the Chiefs. Jackson and DeVito are already incredibly good against the run, and Poe has finally developed to be perhaps the best of the bunch. Catapano has proven himself adept as well. Houston, Berry, Jordan, and DJ all serve their roles brilliantly in plugging gaps. * That's probably the biggest difference between the Chiefs defense under Herm, Haley, and Crennel, compared to Reid. Under Reid (i.e. Bob Sutton), the Chiefs' gap integrity has so far been unrivaled. The entire defense moves as a singular cohesive unit. Poe is commanding double- and triple-teams, Jackson and DeVito are owning tackles, Houston and Hali are cutting off the edges, and Jordan, Johnson, and Berry are plugging gaps brilliantly. * There are so many brilliant talents on this defense, but the emotional tone setters are clearly Hali and Flowers. Poe, Houston, Johnson, Berry, and all the others are very talented, but the emotional leaders on this defense right now are Hali and Flowers, and it looks like Berry is about a season or so away from getting there as well. Hali's hustle spreads like a virus across this defense, and you can see his pursuit borne out in Houston, DJ, Berry, Poe, and Jackson. * Poe... what else can be said about this guy. His play today suggests he could keep developing to become the best DT this team has had since the franchise's Super Bowl days. There is only so much you can do against an all-muscle 330 lbs that's faster than most offensive lineman and stronger than most offensive lineman. You can tell his technique is developing, and the Chiefs are throwing him into all kinds of twists and stunts to create mismatches. My favorite play was probably his combined sack with Eric Berry. * Eric Berry is being played like a linebacker, and against the Jags he played roughly 10% of his snaps at the line of scrimmage. His coverage has improved but the very best part of Berry's game: he is unblockable. Sending out offensive lineman to block him is a fool's errand. He sheds blocks like nobody's business. * The Chiefs stuffed the box against the Jags -- they did more than stuff the box, they stuffed the line of scrimmage. So many times they lined up 7 guys along the line of scrimmage, some of them dropping back and some of them rushing. I still don't like Hali dropping back. Houston is money in coverage, though. He was on the field for every defensive snap because he is so ***ing versatile. Great game from Kendrick Lewis, too. Played very aggressive, lots of snaps up against the line of scrimmage. The Chiefs are treating Lewis as the FS and Berry as more of the SS, but they are mixing Lewis up all over the field, treating him as more of a hybrid between the safeties, while Berry is part-timing as a linebacker. * If Jackson can rack up a half dozen sacks while being rock solid against the run, we should seriously work our ass off to resign him this offseason. He will be as close to that guy we drafted #3 overall as anything else we could possibly bring in. * This defense has the talent and the defensive coordinator to be a Top 5 defense. It's definitely a Top 10 defense. The Cowboys game will be a phenomenal challenge, as Romo will willingly challenge our corners more aggressively, and Sean Smith, Husain Abdullah, and Quentin Demps will be challenged far more frequently. We can still be exposed in the passing game: Hali will have a bear of a time against Tyron Smith, but Houston and Poe should pave a path to Romo that Berry and DJ can follow. But if that passrush doesn't come as quickly as it needs to, then Sean Smith can get exposed if he's not on his game, which he all-too-frequently isn't. I don't fear any of Dallas' tertiary receivers against our nickel- and dime-backs, but I do fear Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, and Jason Witten against Sean Smith, Brandon Flowers, and Eric Berry. But the Cowboys will not run on the Chiefs. Nobody will, this year.
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Mike in SW-MO Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-1545824	I think Poe's biggest improvement from last year is his ability to shed blockers. Last year blockers that could not move him could tie him up. Yesterday he was shedding blockers at will. Gonna be fun watching this kid. Last edited by Mike in SW-MO; 09-09-2013 at 07:50 AM..
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-775936	Was brought up in another thread, so I'll bring it up here. I think Fisher played pretty well, and that pick is done so I'm moved on. But look how good this DL played under Sutton. Now imagine lining up Sheldon Richardson along side Poe and Devito/Jackson. Or Catapano, Sheldon, and Poe in subsets? Or Bailey in sub sets? Oh well.
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