Chiefs lead Broncos 56-49 (All Time)

[Prison Bitch]

With an average score of KC 23-20. Only one matchup was in the plaoyffs () They both are original AFL franchises in 1960. Kansas City raced out to a 25-2 lead in the series before Denver started turning it around in 1973. Since then it's of course 31-47 in their favor.

Does anyone know why they were so bad early on? Or maybe it's just that we were so good during that time.

[Molitoth]

Football forums are the adult version of "My dad can beat up your dad."

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

Who has success without consistent good QB play?

Chicago Bears?

[MileHighFish]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Football forums are the adult version of "My dad can beat up your dad."

So true!

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

For the life of me I cannot understand why you'd say that given the stark contrast of their records in both the regular and post season with him vs without him.

You obviously aren't aware of the love-hate relationship Rain has with Elway.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by vailpass

You obviously aren't aware of the love-hate relationship Rain has with Elway.

I only agree with half of that statement.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by SNR

Chicago Bears?

That's the best example, given they're #1 all time in win %. Baltimore is 6th but they're a bit light on years played. Browns are at 54% all time with a collection of complete garbage at the position.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

With an average score of KC 23-20. Only one matchup was in the plaoyffs () They both are original AFL franchises in 1960. Kansas City raced out to a 25-2 lead in the series before Denver started turning it around in 1973. Since then it's of course 31-47 in their favor.

Does anyone know why they were so bad early on? Or maybe it's just that we were so good during that time.

Broncos were quite arguably, the worst AFL franchise started. From my understanding, they were kind of a throw in franchise when Clark Hunt was starting the AFL. Denver was not a big town back in that time, very much still a kindof cow town. The team had lousy ownership and no budget and hence could not afford decent coaches or players.

But the Broncos fans always filled the stadium. Win or lose (and a heck of a lot more losing than winning) the stadium was always packed and so the team had to keep adding on to it. It was originally called Bear Stadium (I think, might be wrong) because it fielded the minor league Denver Bears baseball team. It was later changed into Mile High Stadium after many more seats were added.

Its really amazing the franchise survived the 1960s and even the early 1970s because they were so inept. When Floyd Little was drafted by the Broncos it very much helped the team establish some legitimacy and hence, Little is referred to as the franchise savor.

Anyhow, I'm proud of the Broncos history because they've gone from the worst team in the AFL to one of the better teams in the NFL and that is pretty amazing when you think about all the teams that have moved away to other cities.

[Prison Bitch]

No doubt, it's become a great NFL franchise in a huge geographic market. But I do still ask what it would be without Elway. Franchises have iconic players but he might be the most iconic of any out there. You can't really name one great that stands above all others with most franchises, but Elway is certainly the "Horse Face of the Franchise"

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Denver was a terrible team for many years. I think the main reason was that they had no good players.

I don't think there's really a modern equivalent of the 1960s and 1970s Broncos. They were just so bad year after year that you didn't really pay attention to them. They started putting together a pretty decent core of players in the mid-70s, but it was still kind of a shock when they made the Super Bowl in 1977. I'm not sure why they turned the corner at that point, though, because they didn't have consistent coaching. I think they changed owners, but the owners were for the most part hands off. They just started getting decent players. Once they turned the corner they became a consistently strong team.

Other than of course long-term mediocrity at quarterback.

Pat Bowlen bought the team in 1983 when Elway was drafted and Dan Reeves was hired as HC. Ever since that time the Broncos have been a very consistent team as far as winning. Before this, the team had some good coaches but they never stayed very long, and the team (I believe, could be wrong) was on it's 3rd owner? So I think Bowlen is the 4th owner and he bought the team for $25 million.

Now the team is worth like $750m? Not a bad investment for Pat.

[Tombstone RJ]

My bad, Bowlen bought the team in 1984 right after Elway was drafted. But between Elway, Dan Reeves and Pat Bowlen, the team started heading in the right direction as far as winning consistently.

[Mile High Mania]

Yeah, Reeves was the HC in 1981.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Broncos were quite arguably, the worst AFL franchise started. From my understanding, they were kind of a throw in franchise when Clark Hunt was starting the AFL. Denver was not a big town back in that time, very much still a kindof cow town. The team had lousy ownership and no budget and hence could not afford decent coaches or players.

Right Hunt, wrong person....

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

That's the best example, given they're #1 all time in win %. Baltimore is 6th but they're a bit light on years played. Browns are at 54% all time with a collection of complete garbage at the position.

Both the Bears and the Browns have a significant team history prior to the advent of modern football with it's emphasis on QBs.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

My bad, Bowlen bought the team in 1984 right after Elway was drafted. But between Elway, Dan Reeves and Pat Bowlen, the team started heading in the right direction as far as winning consistently.

Dan Reeves with Elway: 98-60 (62.0%)
Dan Reeves without: 92-105 (46.7%)


We already discussed Bowlen without Elway. I give those two virtually zero credit for anything Elway did.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Yeah, Reeves was the HC in 1981.

yep, my bad.