Fisher to LT?

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

It's not ignoring that fact. It's not buying the logic or idea that it makes sense to build short-term in year 1 of a regime and then build long-term from that point forward.

I think getting the QB you truly want moving forward trumps all.
Building confidence within the organization that you can win with that QB cannot be overlooked either.
Try to imagine the questions that would exist had last season been a complete abortion.
There would be no trust in Smith, or Reid, or Dorsey.
As it stands now, MOST of us feel like we have a QB that we can win in the post-season with, and that is the most important thing in today's NFL.
They ****ed up on a few things, but it actually looks like they succeeded in answering the most important question that any of us could have.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I think getting the QB you truly want moving forward trumps all.
Building confidence within the organization that you can win with that QB cannot be overlooked either.
Try to imagine the questions that would exist had last season been a complete abortion.
There would be no trust in Smith, or Reid, or Dorsey.
As it stands now, MOST of us feel like we have a QB that we can win in the post-season with, and that is the most important thing in today's NFL.
They ****ed up on a few things, but it actually looks like they succeeded in answering the most important question that any of us could have.

IF Alex Smith is the quarterback he was over most of the second half of the season and in the playoff game, you've got a 3-4 year window with him.

His age 30 season seems like a strange year to focus on building for the future... especially considering that most of the rest of the core players are also entering the downside of their careers.

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

IF Alex Smith is the quarterback he was over most of the second half of the season and in the playoff game, you've got a 3-4 year window with him.

His age 30 season seems like a strange year to focus on building for the future... especially considering that most of the rest of the core players are also entering the downside of their careers.

Just have to hope the brain trust has it in them to have a replacement ready to take over the reigns, like with Rodgers taking over for Favre or Kapernick taking over for Smith. If not then I guess it will be more of the same old for the Chiefs. Hopefully this staff is different than the rest.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Just have to hope the brain trust has it in them to have a replacement ready to take over the reigns, like with Rodgers taking over for Favre or Kapernick taking over for Smith. If not then I guess it will be more of the same old for the Chiefs. Hopefully this staff is different than the rest.

I am at least 5 years past being able to rely on "hope" when it comes to the Chiefs and front office decisions.

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I am at least 5 years past being able to rely on "hope" when it comes to the Chiefs and front office decisions.

Well we got nothing else to rely on, unless we want to rely on Save Our Chiefs to fly banners over the NFL offices and convince them to give us a Lombardi Trophy out of sympathy for the fans.

Otherwise, hope is all we got.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Well we got nothing else to rely on, unless we want to rely on Save Our Chiefs to fly banners over the NFL offices and convince them to give us a Lombardi Trophy out of sympathy for the fans.

Otherwise, hope is all we got.

Hope in one hand, shit in the other...

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Well we got nothing else to rely on, unless we want to rely on Save Our Chiefs to fly banners over the NFL offices and convince them to give us a Lombardi Trophy out of sympathy for the fans.

Otherwise, hope is all we got.

I'm not going to rely on anything. I'm going to call it like I see it and need evidence to trust what is being done is the right thing.

Example: If they pay Alex Smith based on the playoff game and not the whole body of work, I will not believe he can bring that level of play week in, week out (and therefore be worth that salary) until I see it actually happen.

Some teams deserve hope and faith because they have an established history of being savvy and effective. The New England Patriots. The Indy Colts. The 49ers. The Tampa Rays. The Boston Red Sox. The St. Louis Cardinals. The Texas Rangers.

Some don't. The Chiefs fall in this category. Maybe Dorsey can get them into the previous category, but it's going to take time.

Until then...Show me.

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'm not going to rely on anything. I'm going to call it like I see it and need evidence to trust what is being done is the right thing.

Example: If they pay Alex Smith based on the playoff game and not the whole body of work, I will not believe he can bring that level of play week in, week out (and therefore be worth that salary) until I see it actually happen.

Some teams deserve hope and faith because they have an established history of being savvy and effective. The New England Patriots. The Indy Colts. The 49ers. The Tampa Rays. The Boston Red Sox. The St. Louis Cardinals. The Texas Rangers.

Some don't. The Chiefs fall in this category. Maybe Dorsey can get them into the previous category, but it's going to take time.

Until then...Show me.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree.

All I'm saying is, there ain't shit we can do about it. I would root for a better franchise if I had it in me, but I don't. I'm a Chiefs fan until I die, unfortunately. So I'll just keep hoping like the sucker I am.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

IF Alex Smith is the quarterback he was over most of the second half of the season and in the playoff game, you've got a 3-4 year window with him.

His age 30 season seems like a strange year to focus on building for the future... especially considering that most of the rest of the core players are also entering the downside of their careers.

With our core of talent and Smith at QB they better be making moves to win now...

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

IF Alex Smith is the quarterback he was over most of the second half of the season and in the playoff game, you've got a 3-4 year window with him.

His age 30 season seems like a strange year to focus on building for the future... especially considering that most of the rest of the core players are also entering the downside of their careers.

Smith being in the prime of his career gives this team a chance to take advantage of what our core players have left and gives the team a min. 3-4 year window to find our QBOTF.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

IF Alex Smith is the quarterback he was over most of the second half of the season and in the playoff game, you've got a 3-4 year window with him.

His age 30 season seems like a strange year to focus on building for the future... especially considering that most of the rest of the core players are also entering the downside of their careers.

I really don't understand this thinking.

First, I don't think Smith was a different QB in the second half of the season than he was in the first. I think the level of competition changed, the performance of his own defense changed, and so he therefore had to change the way he "managed the game".

Second. If Smith is 30, why does everyone think he only has 3 or 4 years? Romo and Brees are 34 and 35 now -are very much considered to be among the leaders in the NFL and neither show any signs of being done anytime soon.

Brady is 37 and still playing at an extremely high level. Manning at 38 is still considered the top in the league and people expect he may go 1 or 2 more seasons.

QB's don't typically retire earlier than these guys because they can't play the position anymore, they retire or are replaced because teams draft a better QB under them. If that happens with the Chiefs then what are you worried about? If someone comes along in the draft and mentors under Smith and wins the job then the window is open. If not, then Smith is still likely performing at a high level after the 3 or 4 years you guys are constantly claiming as his lifespan.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by temper11

I really don't understand this thinking.

First, I don't think Smith was a different QB in the second half of the season than he was in the first. I think the level of competition changed the performance of his own defense changed and so he therefore had to change the way he "managed the game".

Second. If Smith is 30, why does everyone think he only has 3 or 4 years? Romo and Brees are 34 and 35 now -are very much considered to be among the leaders in the NFL and neither show any signs of being done anytime soon.

Brady is 37 and still playing at an extremely high level. Manning at 38 is still considered the top in the league and people expect he may go 1 or 2 more seasons.

QB's don't typically retire earlier than these guys because they can't play the position anymore, they retire or are replaced because teams draft a better QB under them. If that happens with the Chiefs then what are you worried about? If someone comes along in the draft and mentors under Smith and wins the job then the window is open. If not, then Smith is still likely performing at a high level after the 3 or 4 years you guys are constantly claiming as his lifespan.

4 years of play in his prime, is the MINIMUM that should be expected out of a 30 year old QB.
He's not 25, but he's also not 35, which people tend to act like.
He is in the prime of his career, and should be for half a decade.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

4 years of play in his prime, is the MINIMUM that should be expected out of a 30 year old QB.
He's not 25, but he's also not 35, which people tend to act like.
He is in the prime of his career, and should be for half a decade.

All the more reason to play for now instead of when he's 34. It's not like he hasn't had concussion problems or anything. Look what happened to Trent Green...

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

All the more reason to play for now instead of when he's 34. It's not like he hasn't had concussion problems or anything. Look what happened to Trent Green...

Trent got his brains scrambled at 36 yrs old.
That would give us 6 years of Smith in his prime.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

4 years of play in his prime, is the MINIMUM that should be expected out of a 30 year old QB.
He's not 25, but he's also not 35, which people tend to act like.
He is in the prime of his career, and should be for half a decade.

Ok... he might not be in his prime past 34 but he isn't going to be fitted for a walker on his 35 bday either. If his level of play drops off we'll hopefully have a QB that has been learning from one of the smartest QB's in the league for 4or 5 years. If his play doesn't fall off drastically, then you roll with him for as long as he is able to go.

Either way, Chiefs should be in good shape at QB for quite a while.