Fisher to LT?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by ILChief

What they could have gotten was a third, which we will get anyway as a comp pick

COULD get as a comp pick...

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by Rausch

COULD get as a comp pick...

With the contract he got, it's WILL get a comp pick.

[Bowser]

Question for all those championing Fisher moving to left tackle -

What exactly did you see out of him last year that makes you excited to see him potentially line up at left tackle this season? Because I saw a guy that would occasionally make good plays, but was routinely overmatched and injured for a majority of the season, and that was on the right side playing some horrid defenses.

Convince me this move isn't a glaring view of the ineptitude of the front office in dealing with Albert. Make me excited for this move, please.

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Question for all those championing Fisher moving to left tackle -

What exactly did you see out of him last year that makes you excited to see him potentially line up at left tackle this season? Because I saw a guy that would occasionally make good plays, but was routinely overmatched and injured for a majority of the season, and that was on the right side playing some horrid defenses.

Convince me this move isn't a glaring view of the ineptitude of the front office in dealing with Albert. Make me excited for this move, please.

Well, I think we generally all agree that we have a top notch coaching staff minus our DC perhaps.

We have all seen Dontari Poe be an absolute nobody as a rookie to blowing up in his second year. We're putting trust in the coaching staff that Fisher will have the same progress.

Just because Fisher was overmatched as a rookie does not mean that's his ceiling and the player he will be this season or for the rest of his career.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Just because Fisher was overmatched as a rookie does not mean that's his ceiling and the player he will be this season or for the rest of his career.

Of course not.

Then again, it's also possible that he's WORSE at LT than he was a RT.

Acknowledging reality isn't a bad thing and doesn't make one a pessimist.

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Of course not.

Then again, it's also possible that he's WORSE at LT than he was a RT.

Acknowledging reality isn't a bad thing and doesn't make one a pessimist.

Of course not. I'm open minded about this move. Fisher is going to sink or swim this year. We drafted him to play left tackle, so right or wrong that's where he's going to play. If he sucks at left tackle then I don't think it means he should have stayed at right tackle. In that case he probably just sucks either way and was a complete bust.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Of course not.

Then again, it's also possible that he's WORSE at LT than he was a RT.

Acknowledging reality isn't a bad thing and doesn't make one a pessimist.

This is definitely a possibility. The best thing we can do at this point, is to find out as soon as we can what Fisher will be, and the only way to find that out, is by playing him.
He could be horrible for all we know, and should know by mid-season.
No sense in wasting more time.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

This is definitely a possibility. The best thing we can do at this point, is to find out as soon as we can what Fisher will be, and the only way to find that out, is by playing him.
He could be horrible for all we know, and should know by mid-season.
No sense in wasting more time.

I would expect the coaches to be able to watch him and Stephenson take snaps at LT in practice and be able to determine which one is the better option, and then play that guy.

It's THEIR job to figure out if he's horrible or if he can handle it.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

This is definitely a possibility. The best thing we can do at this point, is to find out as soon as we can what Fisher will be, and the only way to find that out, is by playing him.
He could be horrible for all we know, and should know by mid-season.
No sense in wasting more time.

This, exactly.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Well, I think we generally all agree that we have a top notch coaching staff minus our DC perhaps.

We have all seen Dontari Poe be an absolute nobody as a rookie to blowing up in his second year. We're putting trust in the coaching staff that Fisher will have the same progress.

Just because Fisher was overmatched as a rookie does not mean that's his ceiling and the player he will be this season or for the rest of his career.

Top notch? I don't know that just being better than what we had makes it top notch. I wouldn't necessarily agree with that.

I like Andy Reid, but the guy has never won a playoff game without Jim Johnson coordinating his defense. I think he's good, but I'd hesitate to say "top notch."

I think Toub is a great ST coach.

Not crazy about Sutton at DC, though I at least like his system more than Crennel's.

Re: Fisher...

You're correct that the book isn't written yet... but the first chapter sucked. Not a promising start... and one that DAMPENS expectations for him.

The odds that he's even as good at LT as Brandon Albert are lower now than when he was drafted (and even then, weren't slam-dunk level).

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Well, I think we generally all agree that we have a top notch coaching staff minus our DC perhaps.

We have all seen Dontari Poe be an absolute nobody as a rookie to blowing up in his second year. We're putting trust in the coaching staff that Fisher will have the same progress.

Just because Fisher was overmatched as a rookie does not mean that's his ceiling and the player he will be this season or for the rest of his career.

I'll grant that our coaching staff has done wonders with Poe. Even so it just means that Fisher basically has to throw away a bunch of what he learned his rookie season to learn a new position.

I hope the kid
- heals quick
- gets WAY stronger
- is a quick learner

because the defenses he's going to face this season are another level up from what he played against last season. Frankly I'd feel way more comfortable if the front office hadn't fumbled around with the Albert situation and had Fisher at left tackle last year.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I'll grant that our coaching staff has done wonders with Poe. Even so it just means that Fisher basically has to throw away a bunch of what he learned his rookie season to learn a new position.

I hope the kid
- heals quick
- gets WAY stronger
- is a quick learner

because the defenses he's going to face this season are another level up from what he played against last season. Frankly I'd feel way more comfortable if the front office hadn't fumbled around with the Albert situation and had Fisher at left tackle last year.

That's just wrong, completely wrong.

He doesn't have to throw anything away.

He just has to 'mirror' the hand/foot placements of what he has learned. He has predominantly played left tackle in the past as well.

How did the front office fumble the Albert situation?

Albert wanted to be paid more than they thought he was worth.
Miami wasn't offering anymore than the Chiefs would get for a compensation pick this year.
Having a rookie start at RT is probably better than having him start at LT
we had an incredible young Oline last year that would been even more of any issue had the traded Albert.

you can make a argument that the front office handled it perfectly

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

you can make a argument that the front office handled it perfectly

Only you would try to make that argument.

Albert asking for too much?

Tag him.

Draft tackle 1.1.

Let Albert, Schwartz, and Asamoah walk out the door.

/perfect

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

That's just wrong, completely wrong.

He doesn't have to throw anything away.

He just has to 'mirror' the hand/foot placements of what he has learned. He has predominantly played left tackle in the past as well.

How did the front office fumble the Albert situation?

Albert wanted to be paid more than they thought he was worth.
Miami wasn't offering anymore than the Chiefs would get for a compensation pick this year.
Having a rookie start at RT is probably better than having him start at LT
we had an incredible young Oline last year that would been even more of any issue had the traded Albert.

you can make a argument that the front office handled it perfectly

"Ok Eric, don't forget what we taught you about form and leverage last year, just do it exactly the opposite of the way we taught you to do it last year." Sounds like he's going to have to forget a bunch of what they taught him last year.

The front office ****ed it up simply because they tagged Albert. If there was no real option or plan to keep him on long term, as obviously there wasn't now that he is in Miami, they should never have tagged him in the first place. If the plan was to take Fisher, then do it and put him at left tackle LAST year. I don't remember the Broncos putting Clady at RT to "break him in to the NFL".

The whole situation was just poorly executed, and it cost us a draft pick THIS year because they didn't think they were getting value for Albert in what Miami offered. Well surprise, Albert still ended up in Miami, and we are sitting here with our dicks in our hands. Not playing out to be one of Dorsey's better moments so far with us.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

That's just wrong, completely wrong.

He doesn't have to throw anything away.

He just has to 'mirror' the hand/foot placements of what he has learned. He has predominantly played left tackle in the past as well.

How did the front office fumble the Albert situation?

Albert wanted to be paid more than they thought he was worth.
Miami wasn't offering anymore than the Chiefs would get for a compensation pick this year.
Having a rookie start at RT is probably better than having him start at LT
we had an incredible young Oline last year that would been even more of any issue had the traded Albert.

you can make a argument that the front office handled it perfectly

Then ****ing take it. We could have used the pick and Fisher could have used the PT.