Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by wazu

Doesn't matter. It's all a ****ing joke anyway, can't care anymore.

Q

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

When was the last time the Chiefs had a late round pick "progress" into an NFL starter or some sort of capable full time player?

You have to go back to 2008 in that draft we ended up pissing away the entire core/window and say 5th round pick Brandon Carr

so 6 years later, we are banking on late round picks Catapano, Commings, Kush, ****ing even third round picks like Kelce to step and save the Chiefs. When it hasn't happened in SIX ****ING YEARS. But now all of a sudden in 2014 it's going to? Based on what? false hope? grasping at straws? Hoping Dorsey is a genius? He very well could be, but the fact that he has no insurance policy if this fails and blows up in his face and the fans again turn on another front office in the span of less than 10 years.

How else are they going to save face/spin it if they have a losing season in 2014? There's no excuse if they don't have a winning record with Alex Smith. They sat on their hands and did nothing to improve the roster. So I'm not going to be happy with 8-8 or 9-7 in 2014 and say "hey we did well against a tough schedule and we will have a lot of comp picks now for 2015! See 2014 wasnt a waste we are going to be like Seattle! Seattle! Seattle!"

**** off with that crap

Holy shit.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't think it was a PR move at all.

I agree.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

we still did next to nothing in free agency.

If we decided that all those guys weren't good enough then we should have replaced them in free agency. Our backups couldn't beat all those 'sucky' guys out of their starting jobs last year but now we expect them to be better than the guys they couldn't win a job from?

Regardless of how you want to spin it, last year and this year represent conflicting philosophies. Last year was a 'add talent wherever/whenever you can to win game'. This year is 'patiently build for the future and avoid spending big money on old guys'.

flip-flopping between philosophies is not a good idea, it almost always ends in failure.

I wouldn't get so down on a lot of these guys not beating out the incumbent starter. First of all a known is always safe. Second, there is a big difference between a guy who isn't there physically, and one who isn't there mentally. Third, those guys got to prove where they were against San Diego.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Guru

they see this year as a throwaway year.

Well to be fair with the schedule they might actually be right.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

When was the last time the Chiefs had a late round pick "progress" into an NFL starter or some sort of capable full time player?

You have to go back to 2008 in that draft we ended up pissing away the entire core/window and say 5th round pick Brandon Carr

so 6 years later, we are banking on late round picks Catapano, Commings, Kush, ****ing even third round picks like Kelce to step and save the Chiefs. When it hasn't happened in SIX ****ING YEARS. But now all of a sudden in 2014 it's going to? Based on what? false hope? grasping at straws? Hoping Dorsey is a genius? He very well could be, but the fact that he has no insurance policy if this fails and blows up in his face and the fans again turn on another front office in the span of less than 10 years.

How else are they going to save face/spin it if they have a losing season in 2014? There's no excuse if they don't have a winning record with Alex Smith. They sat on their hands and did nothing to improve the roster. So I'm not going to be happy with 8-8 or 9-7 in 2014 and say "hey we did well against a tough schedule and we will have a lot of comp picks now for 2015! See 2014 wasnt a waste we are going to be like Seattle! Seattle! Seattle!"

**** off with that crap

I couldn't have said this any better.. Though I'm not angry at this point. I'm just disappointed that the team has handicapped themselves from rebuilding properly by delaying the process multiple seasons.

[O.city]

So theres no excuse if they don't have a winning record, yet you'd be pissed with 9-7?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

I couldn't have said this any better.. Though I'm not angry at this point. I'm just disappointed that the team has handicapped themselves from rebuilding properly by delaying the process multiple seasons.

Dude, they are building properly.

Finally.

Dorsey has a literal army of scouts working for the team. There's two coaches at every position. They've hired some of the best position coaches in the league.

This is not Pioli trying to do the scouting, managing and personnel all by himself. This is not Peterson signing one impact player every five years, filling the gaps with overpriced free agents and then heading to Aruba.

These guys are going about it the best way possible.

It's going to take time.

Relax.

Have fun.

Enjoy what comes from it, but don't expect Super Bowl in year two of a rebuild that was coming off the worst four year stretch in franchise history.

****.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Dude, they are building properly.

Finally.

Dorsey has a literal army of scouts working for the team. There's two coaches at every position. They've hired some of the best position coaches in the league.

This is not Pioli trying to do the scouting, managing and personnel all by himself. This is not Peterson signing one impact player every five years, filling the gaps with overpriced free agents and then heading to Aruba.

These guys are going about it the best way possible.

It's going to take time.

Relax.

Have fun.

Enjoy what comes from it, but don't expect Super Bowl in year two of a rebuild that was coming off the worst four year stretch in franchise history.

****.

Finally. About time. /Herm in '08

[Hammock Parties]

Just wait, things will get better!

/Chiefs fans, Est. 1997

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

So theres no excuse if they don't have a winning record, yet you'd be pissed with 9-7?

If you're not seriously contending for championships then you're better off jettisoning veterans and acquire young players for experience.

Problem is KC went all in by trading for a QB and screwed up their draft position in a year that looks to be laden with talent. Meanwhile they'll play tougher opponents without seriously improving their roster so they'll "underachieve" in 2014 but won't lose enough games to get a high draft pick in what looks to be a shallow draft.

In short, the Chiefs are beginning to swirl the mediocrity drain.

[Hammock Parties]

We can draft a QB after Alex retires, just wait a little longer!

Hopefully the most wonderful perfect prospect will come out that year so we can feel justified in blowing a first rounder on a QB!

You don't want to draft the next Ryan Leaf! It could set your franchise back years!

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Finally. About time. /Herm in '08

Not really.

Herm was a shitty head coach. And he cycled through assistants like crazy in an effort to keep his own job.

And 2008 was a full on **** up.

This is not Herm's 2008 team. They haven't gone full reerun rookie mad. Core players with good experience are the backbone of this team and will be augmented by well researched rookies through the draft.

This is nearly a polar opposite of that 2008 disaster that was the impetus for the Pioli reign of terror.

If you can't see that, I don't know what else to say to you.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

So several of us who were very unhappy last year came back after the playoff loss and apologized. We were wrong about Alex Smith. 11-5 was the proof.

If this team wins 5 or 6 games, are all of you guys that think this is great going to do what we did? Or do we have to wait one more year?

So you were wrong last year, but not this time?

Some were so sure it was the wrong move last year, they won 11 games and made the playoffs. Yet now they're wrong again, before we've seen any actual games.

I dunno, did they not earn any trust?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins

We can draft a QB after Alex retires, just wait a little longer!

Hopefully the most wonderful perfect prospect will come out that year so we can feel justified in blowing a first rounder on a QB!

You don't want to draft the next Ryan Leaf! It could set your franchise back years!

C'mon...

Neither Reid nor Dorsey have sat on their hands in terms of grooming QB's under high level incumbents at the position.