Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Many great points in the last few posts. Perhaps all of them defensible, but in the end we're explaining away another lost opportunity.

I suspect 4/6/2015 we'll be doing much of the same thing with slight shade adjustments. Next year they'll be "building through the draft" (again), but will be telling us all how difficult the 2014 schedule was. That after saying that the less-difficult schedule of 2013 had nothing to do with their "success".

So debate away about the nitty gritty, debate the color of the uniform and how tight to torque the cleats, but in the end I doubt on 4/6/2015 we'll be basking in the glory of a super bowl win, we'll be hearing (again) about how cap space kept us from picking up studs in FA, and how that's not our style anyway.

So I'm not mad, I'm just noting that the beat goes on even if the drummers and conductor(s) have been replaced.

Phisophically, I agree with the build through the draft approach.

However, I can not support the mixed approach that the two off seasons have entailed.

Building through the draft behind trading two premium picks for a 29 year old QB is limiting any potential window.

When the pieces you are adding in this draft are ready, Smith and other pieces you already have in place will be hitting the end of their windows.

These contradictory moves are almost assuredly setting this franchise up for an endless cycle of mediocrity.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by milkman

Phisophically, I agree with the build through the draft approach.

However, I can not support the mixed approach that the two off seasons have entailed.

Building through the draft behind trading two premium picks for a 29 year old QB is limiting any potential window.

When the pieces you are adding in this draft are ready, Smith and other pieces you already have in place will be hitting the end of their windows.

These contradictory moves are almost assuredly setting this franchise up for an endless cycle of mediocrity.

Rep! Exactly the case... If you choose to "build through the draft," dont take the "win now" approach and trade TWO early draft picks the year before... The contradictory approaches of last season to this one makes it easy to believe that it was all about filling the seats last season.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by TEX

Rep! Exactly the case... If you choose to "build through the draft," dont take the "win now" approach and trade TWO early draft picks the year before... The contradictory approaches of last season to this one makes it easy to believe that it was all about filling the seats last season.

Which really tells you what they Andy/Dorsey thought of not only last years QB class but this one as well. If Andy was really excited about this year's QB class he and Dorsey would not have given up 2 2nd round picks for Smith. Andy has always liked Smith from the get go and obviously felt he could fix him and make him that legit 1st rd pick he was meant to play like. So far Andy has been right because Alex continues to improve to the point he should have won that Colts game and looks like he could improve even more IF we get some playmakers around him. But there were many suitors in line for Smith last year(don't kid yourself) and Andy was going to make damn sure nobody was going to get him and why we paid a King's ransom hence the QB is the most important position on the field.

Albert,Jackson,DMC,Asamoah were all overrated for the $$ they wanted IMO. Schwartz was the only one I hated to see go but then 'WE' aren't GMs who don't know what is really going on behind the scenes and why he was really allowed to go and not resigned. Maybe they thought the same of him as well.

We'll see if Andy was right in the long run and so far he has been dead on.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by milkman

Phisophically, I agree with the build through the draft approach.

However, I can not support the mixed approach that the two off seasons have entailed.

Building through the draft behind trading two premium picks for a 29 year old QB is limiting any potential window.

When the pieces you are adding in this draft are ready, Smith and other pieces you already have in place will be hitting the end of their windows.

These contradictory moves are almost assuredly setting this franchise up for an endless cycle of mediocrity.

To be fair, you could easily get 5 more solid seasons from Alex.

I think the dislike for last year's QB class matches their affinity for Alex.

I'd love to believe that if Luck were available a year ago, he'd be a Chief.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by milkman

Phisophically, I agree with the build through the draft approach.

However, I can not support the mixed approach that the two off seasons have entailed.

Building through the draft behind trading two premium picks for a 29 year old QB is limiting any potential window.

When the pieces you are adding in this draft are ready, Smith and other pieces you already have in place will be hitting the end of their windows.

These contradictory moves are almost assuredly setting this franchise up for an endless cycle of mediocrity.

Your logic is sound, but I don't entirely agree.

This idea that you have to do one or the other is bad, and the average 'youth movement' is a stupid garbage philosophy that rarely bears fruit. Look at what Herm did. He got talented players and built entirely with youth and the result was a team that simply could not figure out how to win.

To build a good team, good franchises use all avenues available to them. I don't feel that losing two 2nd round picks is a back breaker moving forward. I cannot look at the guys who were available and think we're be further along with Geno Smith or Matt Barkley.

Alex Smith brought a stabilizing presence to a team that has been in total flux at QB since Trent Green left. Now I'd much prefer to find that guy who can start for us until 2030, but I don't really want to sit through 3-4 more 2-14 seasons waiting for us to get him. I don't like playing for draft position. That's what perpetually shitty teams do (except the Colts, who tanked in the right season). Mediocrity is better than being a gutter team, like the Lions or modern Raiders. The chances of making a leap are much better.

It doesn't take a decade to improve.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Your logic is sound, but I don't entirely agree.

This idea that you have to do one or the other is bad, and the average 'youth movement' is a stupid garbage philosophy that rarely bears fruit. Look at what Herm did. He got talented players and built entirely with youth and the result was a team that simply could not figure out how to win.

To build a good team, good franchises use all avenues available to them. I don't feel that losing two 2nd round picks is a back breaker moving forward. I cannot look at the guys who were available and think we're be further along with Geno Smith or Matt Barkley.

Alex Smith brought a stabilizing presence to a team that has been in total flux at QB since Trent Green left. Now I'd much prefer to find that guy who can start for us until 2030, but I don't really want to sit through 3-4 more 2-14 seasons waiting for us to get him. I don't like playing for draft position. That's what perpetually shitty teams do (except the Colts, who tanked in the right season). Mediocrity is better than being a gutter team, like the Lions or modern Raiders. The chances of making a leap are much better.

It doesn't take a decade to improve.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by TEX

You forgot to flail your wrists and cut yourself.

Drama queens bein' dramatic.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

You forgot to flail your wrists and cut yourself.

Drama queens bein' dramatic.

Keep telling yourself that. In case you missed it, the emperor has no clothes. Fool.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by TEX

Keep telling yourself that. In case you missed it, the emperor has no clothes. Fool.

What the **** are you even talking about? You're just flailing your arms and lashing out at anyone who doesn't agree with you like a petulant child

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by milkman

Phisophically, I agree with the build through the draft approach.

However, I can not support the mixed approach that the two off seasons have entailed.

Building through the draft behind trading two premium picks for a 29 year old QB is limiting any potential window.

When the pieces you are adding in this draft are ready, Smith and other pieces you already have in place will be hitting the end of their windows.

These contradictory moves are almost assuredly setting this franchise up for an endless cycle of mediocrity.

Yes, you said it very well. And it is indeed a cycle.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Yes, you said it very well. And it is indeed a cycle.

He sure did. So well in fact that those who dont see it, dont want to.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by TEX

He sure did. So well in fact that those who dont see it, dont want to.

We've had to deal with those kinds of people since 1971!