Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA.

[BossChief]

I've held that opinion as long as anyone here. Go **** yourself for making that comment.

I've NEVER piggybacked off anyone's comments, ever.

I think this is a 8-10 win team that won't be able to compete during the playoffs because of the 2-3 huge holes it has...I also think this team has the potential to win 12 games if we had solidified its weaknesses through free agency and has a strong draft.

Not just 12 wins, but also a team that could beat ANYONE in the AFC in the playoffs.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I've held that opinion as long as anyone here.

I've NEVER piggybacked off anyone's comments, ever.

I think this is a 8-10 win team that won't be able to compete during the playoffs because of the 2-3 huge holes it has...I also think this team has the potential to win 12 games if we had solidified its weaknesses through free agency and has a strong draft.

Not just 12 wins, but also a team that could beat ANYONE in the AFC in the playoffs.

This is still a team that ended the season at 2-5 and while we were impressive in the Colts game, we still lost to a team that got whalloped by the Patriots (who didn't even win the conference. Denver then beat New England). And Denver and New England got a hell of a lot better this offseason. And then we face either Seattle, New Orleans, or San Fran in the Super Bowl?

So I don't disagree with you that today we are a bubble playoff team and we could actually win a playoff game with 2 or 3 holes fixed. But we are still a longshot to win a Super Bowl.

By the way… I don't believe in constantly waiting until next year. I want a big push in 2015 and would hardly call calling for Houston, Berry, and Smith extensions small potatoes.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This is still a team that ended the season at 2-5 and while we were impressive in the Colts game, we still lost to a team that got whalloped by the Patriots (who didn't even win the conference. Denver then beat New England). And Denver and New England got a hell of a lot better this offseason. And then we face either Seattle, New Orleans, or San Fran in the Super Bowl?

So I don't disagree with you that today we are a bubble playoff team and we could actually win a playoff game with 2 or 3 holes fixed. But we are still a longshot to win a Super Bowl.

By the way… I don't believe in constantly waiting until next year. I want a big push in 2015 and would hardly call calling for Houston, Berry, and Smith extensions small potatoes.

You always push "next year" and always use "the salary cap" as an excuse why we shouldn't try to win THIS YEAR.

The reason: you are brainwashed because that's all this team has EVER done, sans the Joe Montana years.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You always push "next year" and always use "the salary cap" as an excuse why we shouldn't try to win THIS YEAR.

The reason: you are brainwashed because that's all this team has EVER done, sans the Joe Montana years.

Right, because the Vermeil years were an exercise in responsible cap management and building through the draft. Because Peterson's push to fill holes in the early Herm years worked really well.

This team has been shitty in all phases of the game the last 20 years. Stop acting like my approach hasn't worked, but somehow yours has. We've sucked in the draft. And free agents haven't worked for us. It's both.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Right, because the Vermeil years were an exercise in responsible cap management and building through the draft. Because Peterson's push to fill holes in the early Herm years worked really well.

This team has been shitty in all phases of the game the last 20 years. Stop acting like my approach hasn't worked, but somehow yours has. We've sucked in the draft. And free agents haven't worked for us. It's both.

Glad you mention the "Vermeil years." What happened in the 2003 & 2004 seasons? Welcome back to the future...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by TEX

Glad you mention the "Vermeil years." What happened in the 2003 & 2004 seasons? Welcome back to the future...

Is this a serious question? In 2003, the Chiefs went on a huge spending binge bringing in Shawn Barber, Vonnie Holliday, Dexter McCleon. 2004 they were quiet, but attempted to fill in their Right Tackle problem with John Welbourn. In 2005, they binged again by bringing in Sammy Knight, Kendrell Bell, trading big for Patrick Surtain. You'll recall that during the entire DV era, it was extremely difficult for rookies to win starting jobs.

And in 2005, rather than cut the cord and rebuild, we decided to spend money on McIntosh and Ty Law to band aid the team.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Is this a serious question? In 2003, the Chiefs went on a huge spending binge bringing in Shawn Barber, Vonnie Holliday, Dexter McCleon. 2004 they were quiet, but attempted to fill in their Right Tackle problem with John Welbourn. In 2005, they binged again by bringing in Sammy Knight, Kendrell Bell, trading big for Patrick Surtain. You'll recall that during the entire DV era, it was extremely difficult for rookies to win starting jobs.

And in 2005, rather than cut the cord and rebuild, we decided to spend money on McIntosh and Ty Law to band aid the team.

And what have they done this offseason?

Except let 3 starting quality OL walk, of course.

I even started a thread a couple months back about how this offseason feels similar to the 2004 offseason in many ways.

Jeff linkinburg and Joe Mays to the rescue, ladies and gentlemen!!!

[TEX]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Is this a serious question? In 2003, the Chiefs went on a huge spending binge bringing in Shawn Barber, Vonnie Holliday, Dexter McCleon. 2004 they were quiet, but attempted to fill in their Right Tackle problem with John Welbourn. In 2005, they binged again by bringing in Sammy Knight, Kendrell Bell, trading big for Patrick Surtain. You'll recall that during the entire DV era, it was extremely difficult for rookies to win starting jobs.

And in 2005, rather than cut the cord and rebuild, we decided to spend money on McIntosh and Ty Law to band aid the team.

Sure is a serious question. Are you serious with your answer ??? I specifically said '03 and 'O4. You're talking '05 and later. Which supports my point in that they did NOTHING after the '03 season.

You have your "facts" wrong. KC DID VIRTUALLY NOTHING EXCEPT SIGN THEIR OWN GUYS AND KEPT G.R. after the promising 2003 season. It wasn't until after the KNEW THEY BLEW IT taking that course did they make the changes you mentioned AFTER TAKING A STEP BACKWARDS, GOING 7-9 in 04 and missing the playoffs.

NOW I know why you have most of you're opinions...you, like the Chiefs, dont learn from your mistakes.

As I said, WELCOME BACK TO THE FUTURE. 2014 is setting up to be like '04.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This team has been shitty in all phases of the game the last 20 years.

We've had a top 5 offense twice and a top 10 defense twice in the last 40 years...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Rausch

We've had a top 5 offense twice and a top 10 defense twice in the last 40 years...

I meant that it's silly for people to say a draft first strategy is something we have always done. Free agency, draft, we have tried both and failed.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You always push "next year" and always use "the salary cap" as an excuse why we shouldn't try to win THIS YEAR.

The reason: you are brainwashed because that's all this team has EVER done, sans the Joe Montana years.

Even them MOntana years were false hope. While Montana was an all time great, he was so beat up when we got him, he was playing just to prove to S.F that he still had something.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja

Even them MOntana years were false hope. While Montana was an all time great, he was so beat up when we got him, he was playing just to prove to S.F that he still had something.

One win from the SB is false hope?