Overdrafted/Underdrafted

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by ct

Underdrafted - WR Brandon Cooks, being rated as 4th WR, sometimes lower, when all the guy does is get open, catch the ball, and make plays. My #1 target @23 for KC!

Overdrafted - QB Johnny Manziel, somebody in the top10 won't be able to pass him up I think, and they will regret it when they realize they can't fix this dynamo package of undisciplined Fran Tarkenton part deux.

I'm not sure a mid-first round pick in this exceptionally deep draft is what I'd call "underdrafted."; e.g., Brandin Cooks.

[Shockaholic]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'm not sure a mid-first round pick in this exceptionally deep draft is what I'd call "underdrafted."; e.g., Brandin Cooks.

Agreed, way too deep of a draft to really say someone is over or under drafted. The only guys that could fit into that category is QBs like Carr, Bridgewater and Mettenberger.

[RunKC]

Underrated: Demarcus Lawrence OLB Boise St-This kid is awesome. He's a legit first rd talent that has all the tools to be a badass pass rusher. I think he's super talented and is very underrated.

Overrated: Dee Ford-The guy is a one trick pony. He can't play the run if his life depended on it. NFL OT's will own him once they get their hands on him. He's not in the same world as Clowney and he's an idiot for criticizing him.

[Shockaholic]

Overdrafted: S Jimmie Ward, DT Aaron Donald, QB Derek Carr

Underdrafted: WR Donte Moncrief, CB Jason Verrett, LB Ryan Shazier

[O.city]

Aaron Donald is probably going top 20 and I still think he's being underrated.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by O.city

Aaron Donald is probably going top 20 and I still think he's being underrated.

A couple of inches taller, 5-10 pounds heavier and you would be looking at the potential #1 pick in this draft.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

A couple of inches taller, 5-10 pounds heavier and you would be looking at the potential #1 pick in this draft.

He was the topic starter in my head for this thread.

People are going to pass on him because of that, and he's going to wreck shit.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by O.city

He was the topic starter in my head for this thread.

People are going to pass on him because of that, and he's going to wreck shit.

What's he going to wreck?

He's short with a maxed out frame at 285 lbs. Unless he's the second coming of John Randall, he's going to get destroyed by NFL level linemen.

In all honesty, I was considering him as my "overdrafted" dude.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

What's he going to wreck?

He's short with a maxed out frame at 285 lbs. Unless he's the second coming of John Randall, he's going to get destroyed by NFL level linemen.

In all honesty, I was considering him as my "overdrafted" dude.

How's that Geno Atkins guy doing in the league?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

What's he going to wreck?

He's short with a maxed out frame at 285 lbs. Unless he's the second coming of John Randall, he's going to get destroyed by NFL level linemen.

In all honesty, I was considering him as my "overdrafted" dude.

This is why he's going to be under drafted.

The NFL isn't stacked with great offensive line play. Plus, the guy is so athletic and strong, that it won't matter if he's outweighed.

Destroyed by NFL lineman? Nah. Teams are in the nickel more now than they are in the base set anyway.

[O.city]

If Donald is there at 23 (he won't be) I'd sprint to the podium and have my defensive line set for the next decade if I were the Chiefs GM.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by O.city

If Donald is there at 23 (he won't be) I'd sprint to the podium and have my defensive line set for the next decade if I were the Chiefs GM.

Same here, I wouldn't even bother looking at who else was on the table. Pairing Donald up with Poe in the middle on passing downs with Hali and Houston on the outside would wreck Peyton Manning's shit.

[kccrow]

We shall see about Aaron Donald. The strength of NFL guards is certainly cause for alarm. We're talking about guys that can pick Donald up and toss him aside like a rag doll, something he sure as **** didn't see in college very often. Donald will have to play a flawless brand of football in terms of keeping a very low base. He'll have to be in a gap shooting scheme made to maximize his quick first step and help offset his severe lack of weight. He could see solid production in a 4-3 as an UT. He certainly is a good football player, but that doesn't always transfer to the pros.

[O.city]

You guys act as if NFL guards are the boogey man compared to NCAA level guards.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by O.city

You guys act as if NFL guards are the boogey man compared to NCAA level guards.

Come on man. There is a night and day difference. This is the type of comment that I expect from someone silly enough to say that a college team can compete against the Jaguars or something. NFL guards are far better than collegiate guards and you know it. Functional playing strength of a veteran guard is far greater than that of a college guard, and there is no question about it.

Is there a better than average chance Donald will become a good NFL player? I think so, I think his physical abilities are difficult to block in my experience. As a bigger player, it is difficult to move as fast as Donald at the snap which makes it more difficult to gain the leverage necessary to move him. However, NFL guards will get leverage and the results will not be good when they do.

Like I said, Donald will have to be put in the right scheme where he can use his athleticism to win the point of attack and disrupt the backfield. He's going to be able to do that as an under tackle in a 4-3 where he's playing the 3-technique primarily against slower players. That is the whole key because he will not be able to overcome the strength of NFL guards, it just is not going to happen. He has to beat them athletically, and that he is more than capable of.

He isn't going to line up on tackles and beat them in a 3-4 in my opinion. They are too in tune with smaller, faster, lineman and more ideally equipped to shut them down, so this dream some are having of him lining up as a defensive end in an odd front is laughable to me. Put him where he belongs, and there is a solid chance he's successful.