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Old 12-01-2014, 02:00 PM   #1
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with these weapons? He'd just be rapidly tumbling down the Geno Smith hill.

No, Alex is playing a wise and patient game. He will work with what he has.. in his own way.. until the decision-makers bring in real talent to throw to and real talent to pass block.

Answer something... where would you and others categorize our OL corps? Bottom 5, right? How about the collection of WRs? bottom 5, right?

So what in the hell do you really expect a good but not great QB to do with that? and which other QBs could do more with this?
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A wise and patient game? What's wise about never audibling into a hot route to relieve the all-out blitzes that we see all the time?
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Old 12-01-2014, 02:01 PM   #2
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A wise and patient game? What's wise about never audibling into a hot route to relieve the all-out blitzes that we see all the time?
It's probably by design. There are in fact systems that do not allow the QB to audible out.

Rivers wasn't allowed to audible out of a play when Norv was his HC.

IIRC, Trent Green wasn't allowed to audible out during the DV era.
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Old 12-01-2014, 02:03 PM   #3
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It's probably by design. There are in fact systems that do not allow the QB to audible out.

Rivers wasn't allowed to audible out of a play when Norv was his HC.

IIRC, Trent Green wasn't allowed to audible out during the DV era.
So...what you're saying is our $17 mil a year high football IQ QB can't be trusted to audible into plays that high school QBs are allowed to audible into. SWEET!
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Old 12-01-2014, 02:04 PM   #4
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So...what you're saying is our $17 mil a year high football IQ QB can't be trusted to audible into plays that high school QBs are allowed to audible into. SWEET!
only counting 4.6 mil against the KC cap this season.
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Old 12-01-2014, 02:21 PM   #5
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So...what you're saying is our $17 mil a year high football IQ QB can't be trusted to audible into plays that high school QBs are allowed to audible into. SWEET!
Most passing concepts have built in hot reads. No need to 'hot route' a receiver, more important to call out the protection or check someone into protection from their route. I've never seen HS Qb's changing routes at the line. Maybe checking to a run from a pass or vice versa, but not changing just one route.
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Old 12-01-2014, 02:27 PM   #6
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Most passing concepts have built in hot reads. No need to 'hot route' a receiver, more important to call out the protection or check someone into protection from their route. I've never seen HS Qb's changing routes at the line. Maybe checking to a run from a pass or vice versa, but not changing just one route.

Good point.

Nothing should even need to be changed- only recognized. You'd think the 9 year vet who is supposedly a master of the short passing game in an offense that is predicated on the short passing game would know where his outlet guy is going to be.

Line up, recognize where the potential blitzers could be coming from, find a receiver in that direction, pass the ****ing ball, profit!
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Old 12-01-2014, 02:34 PM   #7
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Good point.

Nothing should even need to be changed- only recognized. You'd think the 9 year vet who is supposedly a master of the short passing game in an offense that is predicated on the short passing game would know where his outlet guy is going to be.

Line up, recognize where the potential blitzers could be coming from, find a receiver in that direction, pass the ****ing ball, profit!
This is what bothers me the most. Denver runs very basic passing concepts. It's been well known for a while now that Manning loves pick/chair route, hi/lo (levels), china, smash, tare/stick... real BASIC passing concepts. He gets the ball out quick and to the area the defender blitzed from. He sees 1 high safety? He will look for a seam vs zone, or take a shot down the sideline if your pressings w/ one high. I wont get into the fact that his receivers release off press correctly and stem correctly.. but why we are NOT running these passing concepts is beyond me.
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This is what bothers me the most. Denver runs very basic passing concepts. It's been well known for a while now that Manning loves pick/chair route, hi/lo (levels), china, smash, tare/stick... real BASIC passing concepts. He gets the ball out quick and to the area the defender blitzed from. He sees 1 high safety? He will look for a seam vs zone, or take a shot down the sideline if your pressings w/ one high. I wont get into the fact that his receivers release off press correctly and stem correctly.. but why we are NOT running these passing concepts is beyond me.
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Old 12-01-2014, 02:03 PM   #9
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A wise and patient game? What's wise about never audibling into a hot route to relieve the all-out blitzes that we see all the time?
You know what. That's a fair point. I never see alex audible.

He always audibled under harbs. Does Andy not let him?
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