Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs

[cmh6476]

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

[ODESSABRONC]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

none of this refutes a single point I made... suck my dick bitch.

Actually he did refute what you said.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Lzen

The only thing that matters is how much did it count against the cap this year. Can you ladies stop your catfight and just tell me that figure?

How the **** does that matter?

He was already on the team with a cap number. They paid him MORE to lower his number and they did what with that extra "saved" money?

Alex Smith was paid $19M to throw 18 TD passes this year. The End.

[ODESSABRONC]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Yeah, but the next weekend - this happened.

True but what happened the following week in the divisional round?

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by jd1020

How the **** does that matter?

He was already on the team with a cap number. They paid him MORE to lower his number and they did what with that extra "saved" money?

Alex Smith was paid $19M to throw 18 TD passes this year. The End.

A cool $1.055 mil/per TD. Not a bad gig if you can get it.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Yeah, and KC WRs had no TDs that game either... but the next weekend - this happened.

Mods, I think this is ban worthy.

[lcarus]

Oh Trent. You're bringing back such great memories with this thread.

[keg in kc]

Deeper dive into the numbers shows just how similar they aren't...


Alex Smith 2014

Passes thrown behind the line (24.8% of his attempts)
91-115 (79.1%) for 491 yards (4.27 ypa) and 5 TD
Passes thrown 1-10 yards (53.9%)
163-250 (65.2%) for 1780 yards (7.12 ypa), 10 TD and 1 INT
Passes thrown 11-20 yards (17.7%)
45-80 (56.3%) for 860 yards (10.75 ypa), 2 TD and 3 INT
Passes thrown 21-30 yards (2.4%)
1-11 (9.1%) for 26 yards (2.27 ypa)
Passes thrown 31-40 yards (1.3%)
1-6 (16.7%) for 41 yards (6.83) and 2 INT
Passes thrown 41+ yards (0.2%)
1-1 (100%) for 48 yards



Trent Green 2002

Passes thrown behind the line (20.2% of his attempts)
80-95 (84.2%) for 640 yards (6.74 ypa) and 3 TD
Passes thrown 1-10 yards (38.3%)
114-180 (63.3%) for 1019 yards (5.66 ypa), 5 TD and 4 INT
Passes thrown 11-20 yards (27.9%)
72-131 (55.0%) for 1243 yards (13.25 ypa), 12 TD and 1 INT
Passes thrown 21-30 yards (6.8%)
15-32 (49.9) for 424 yards (13.25 ypa), 4 TD and 2 INT
Passes thrown 31-40 yards (4.9%)
3-23 (13.0%) for 168 yards (7.3 ypc), 1 TD and 4 INT
Passes thrown 41+ yards (1.9%)
3-9 (33.3%) for 196 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT



78.7% of Smith's attempts (365 of 464), 70% of his total yardage (2271 of 3265) and 88.2% of his touchdowns (15 of 17) came on passes that traveled 10 yards or less.

58.5% of Green's attempts (275 of 470), 45% of his total yardage (1659 of 3690) and 30.8% of his touchdowns (8 of 26) came on passes that traveled 10 yards or less.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by johnny961

Yep. A QB could have taken a short nap before deciding to throw the ball behind that 2002 line...compared to the sieve we have now for a line. If we had a comparable line now this offense improves dramatically. In today's NFL that line would still dominate.

Yeah... I mean, it's all horseshit speculation. But it all starts up front with your OL. Alex is not a gunslinging phenomenon, but he's very efficient when he gets in a rhythm and can trust that his pass pro will allow him enough time to hit a 2nd or 3rd read. If the pass pro consistently can not, then he will quick hit or hesitate and scramble into nothing too often. Even then, he usually won't screw up too often.. but he also won't do enough to elevate the shit team around him.

Some QBs are great at improv... Alex isn't... he relies on being in rhythm. That means, you have to put a decent OL in front of him.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by jd1020

How the **** does that matter?

He was already on the team with a cap number. They paid him MORE to lower his number and they did what with that extra "saved" money?

Alex Smith was paid $19M to throw 18 TD passes this year. The End.

Yeah, I get your point. Still, you're not as good with the numbers as you think you are. Unless that signing bonus money only counts against the first year of the contract your argument doesn't make sense. Either way, I agree that he's making way too much for the performance on the field.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by ODESSABRONC

True but what happened the following week in the divisional round?

Total failure as Brady lit up that defense for 6 TDs... they had their moment in the sun though, even if only for a week.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Yeah, I get your point. Still, you're not as good with the numbers as you think you are. Unless that signing bonus money only counts against the first year of the contract your argument doesn't make sense. Either way, I agree that he's making way too much for the performance on the field.

What the ****?????

What does his signing bonus counting against his cap number throughout his contract have to do with anything?

He got $19M this year. What don't you understand?

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Lzen

The only thing that matters is how much did it count against the cap this year. Can you ladies stop your catfight and just tell me that figure?

http://www.spotrac.com/
http://overthecap.com/

[ODESSABRONC]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Total failure as Brady lit up that defense for 6 TDs... they had their moment in the sun though, even if only for a week.

Indeed they did.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by ODESSABRONC

Indeed they did.

Crank the wayback machine and enjoy... funny part is at the end when they send it to the field "And here's Joe Montana with OJ"

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by jd1020

What the ****?????

What does his signing bonus counting against his cap number throughout his contract have to do with anything?

He got $19M this year. What don't you understand?

I'm asking if you're counting his entire signing bonus into that $19mil number? If so, that's dishonest as a signing bonus is divided into the years of the contract. That's also why I was asking what were the actual figures because I DON'T KNOW AND I AM CURIOUS. Are you saying that his signing bonus is $14 or 15 mil/year? That's crazy and I don't buy it.

Let me give you an example using hypothetical figures since nobody wants to lay out the actual numbers. Let's say, just for hypothetical argument's sake, that Smith was being paid a 5 year contract for 60 million and the portion of that contract that was the signing bonus was $15 million. Then you should only count $3mil of signing bonus plus the regular salary for THIS YEAR.

I know I'm arguing semantics but I hate the dishonest arguments that go on around here a lot lately. Let's at least have honest discussions rather than hyperbole.