Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs

[cmh6476]

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

[Hootie]

I think we probably would have won 10-11 games with Andrew Luck this year

It's funny that Clay is referencing Andrew Luck like he actually watched him this year, though. Because clearly he didn't.

[Ragged Robin]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Absolutely I can and will continue to do so until Reid takes away the easy dump offs, check downs and short 3 yard crossing routes.

Until Reid forces Smith to go all 90's Raiders, it will always be Reid's fault for giving Smith the keys to the easy horizontal offense.

Hey Daniels did the same damn thing in the Chargers game... Short dumps, - 5 yard passes, sacks in the redzone, etc....

That's coaching, not the players.

I want to say about 50% of it is playcall, which is a huge hamstring to the offense. The Oakland loss was clear evidence of this. ULTRA conservative playcall in the first half crippled the team and lost the game. Every play was either a draw, crossing route or screen. Completely vanilla. When he started opening the playbook and spreading it out in the second half the offense moved the ball at will.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I think we probably would have won 10-11 games with Andrew Luck this year

It's funny that Clay is referencing Andrew Luck like he actually watched him this year, though. Because clearly he didn't.

Would you quit with this shit. All I ****ing do with my weekends is watch football.

And we would have won 12 games, minimum, with Andrew Luck.

Luck + elite RB + elite defense = serious contender.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Nah, he led the league in td passes. Colts have the number one passing offense in the league with a sieve of an offensive line and no running game. That's not mediocre.

Lucks problem this year is his misplaced faith in the offensive line.

he had a 20 : 2 TD/INT ratio against Jax / Tenn / Was / NYG

take out the bottom dwellers on his slate (those 6 games) and he did this:

20 TD's
21 turnovers

he also commonly padded that #1 passing offense in games where they were blown out from the game (for example, Pittsburgh; New England; Denver)

But it's fine. Continue making excuses for his mediocre year by blaming his offensive line and his running game.

I'm closing in on coming to terms that Andrew Luck, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are going to get excuses any time they play poorly. Two of those guys deserve the benefit of the doubt. One of them doesn't.

[Hammock Parties]

With Luck we easily beat Arizona and Oakland and probably San Francisco.

That's 12 wins right there.

[Hootie]

Luck had 24 turnovers. There is no way to assume anything with Andrew Luck. Especially with the Chiefs offensive line and receivers.

Luck would have ran a similar gameplan to what Reid is running with Alex Smith.

Luck fumbled 13 times with the Colts this year. How many fumbles would he have had with our offensive line? At least 13.

So anything Luck adds to our team with a vertical passing attack ... his carelessness with the ball takes back away from it.

I see Luck as being about 1 - 1.5 wins better than Alex Smith at this point in his career.

Protecting the football is kind of important if you're a QB.

13 fumbles
8 fumbles lost

that's really, really alarming

[Hammock Parties]

Just ignore our vastly superior running game and defense, Hootie.

[Hootie]

I am not ignoring that one bit.

NFL QB's can't turn the ball over 24 times.

Your entire premise is Luck would win 12+ games because he'd open up our vertical passing attack.

In order to do that, he'd have to have a solid pocket to throw from.

Indy fan is telling us Luck trusted his line too much this year even though they were incredibly porous.

What would change in KC?

Would Luck not trust our incredibly porous line?

Would he suddenly start protecting the ball when he got hit?

Would his lack of pocket not lead to a comparable amount of interceptions (16) he had in Indy?

Would our inferior receivers really be able to take the top off of the defense like T.Y. and Donte?

Grass is always greener, Clay. The problems Luck is having in Indy would be magnified in KC offensively.

Unless, of course, he relied on our ELITE running game and ELITE defense to win games ... you know ... like Alex Smith.

So yes, if Andrew Luck ran our offense like Alex Smith with his ability to throw the ball down the field more accurately and freely ...

I could see us winning about 10 or 11 games but Andrew Luck would throw for around 4000 yards (tops) and 25 TD's (tops) ... because, you know, the Chiefs would rely on Jamaal Charles and our vastly superior defense ... because, you know, if not Andrew Luck would be prone to 24 turnovers which, in turn, loses football games.

As evidenced by Luck and the Colts performance against Denver, New England, Dallas, Pittsburgh and Philly.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

he had a 20 : 2 TD/INT ratio against Jax / Tenn / Was / NYG

take out the bottom dwellers on his slate (those 6 games) and he did this:

20 TD's
21 turnovers

he also commonly padded that #1 passing offense in games where they were blown out from the game (for example, Pittsburgh; New England; Denver)

But it's fine. Continue making excuses for his mediocre year by blaming his offensive line and his running game.

I'm closing in on coming to terms that Andrew Luck, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are going to get excuses any time they play poorly. Two of those guys deserve the benefit of the doubt. One of them doesn't.

I could cherry pick stats to make ANYONE look bad.

At any rate, if you want to call leading the league in td passes, 3rd in yards, and 7th in qb rating "mediocre", than I don't know what to tell you.

[Hootie]

the traditional QB rating stat is meaningless

leading the league in TD passes and yards doesn't mean a whole lot more

I'm more confused why an elite QB like Andrew Luck is getting blown out against every other elite QB he faced (Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Romo)?

Oh I know.

Because Luck isn't there yet. He's just not. But I realize his name is Andrew Luck so he's amazing.

[Hammock Parties]

Andrew Luck turns the ball over because the defense and lack of running game put more pressure on him. You're acting like he's Jake Plummer and just does stupid things constantly.

With that pressure relieved, his turnovers would be much lower.

[Hootie]

So Clay

with our line and our receivers

hypothetically

how many sacks would Luck have taken? how many turnovers (INT + fumbles)? how many passing yards? how many TD's?

What would your hypothetical numbers be for Andrew Luck as the Chiefs QB for this 2014 squad?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

What would your hypothetical numbers be for Andrew Luck as the Chiefs QB for this 2014 squad?

I'd say about 4000 yards, 30 TD, 15 total turnovers.

Would do wonderful things with Bowe and Kelce.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

So Clay

with our line and our receivers

hypothetically

how many sacks would Luck have taken? how many turnovers (INT + fumbles)? how many passing yards? how many TD's?

What would your hypothetical numbers be for Andrew Luck as the Chiefs QB for this 2014 squad?

Jamaal Charles takes a TREMENDOUS amount of pressure off of any qb. So does a defense that's better than 23rd in the league. Those two factors can't be overstated.

[Hoopsdoc]

A question for you, Hootie-where do you think the Colts would be with Alex Smith? Certainly not in the playoffs, not in my opinion.

The Texans finished 9-7, 2 games behind Indy. Without Luck, there's no way we win the division.