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Old 01-20-2015, 10:38 PM  
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Pats Cheating Comfirmed
According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds per square inch each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.

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Old 01-30-2015, 11:07 AM   #2281
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It should be logged, if it's going to be made into a "gate" after the fact. It should be logged, especially if it is a part of a "gotcha" against a team that had been accused of this prior.

That said, the patriots probably did deflate the balls. I'm just saying you can't argue for any punishment, now, because who is to say that the refs didn't approve balls that were already deflated?
Or maybe the NFL didn't deem it necessary to log the PSI before every game because they test them before the game and assume that people aren't going to **** with the balls after they're approved.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:07 AM   #2282
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Absolutely.

Belichick's "letter of the law" rant aside, if you are going to trust a team to not push every boundary they possibly can to gain advantage, then you have ****ed up.

You know why holding is, essentially, legal? because teams pushed and pushed, and dared refs to call it every play. When it was proven they wouldn't, then it simply became a matter of "how" guys could hold, rather than "if."
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:11 AM   #2283
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It can't be the standard just for this Pats game. We'd have to see a log book of all the refs doing all the games for it to be what we weigh this blame on.

I can believe that this was done by equipment people that know what Brady wants. I can accept plausible deniability. I know there are people on this forum that would do some shady ass shit to ensure our Chiefs a Super Bowl berth out of love. I can only imagine the passion is even greater inside the inner core.

I don't need heads to roll. But the organization should be smacked. I would say the same thing no matter what level the cheating was found on. Even if someone changed the opposing team's lemon Gatorade to cherry.

And the NFL needs a new leader. Maybe a chick.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:13 AM   #2284
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It can't be the standard just for this Pats game. We'd have to see a log book of all the refs doing all the games for it to be what we weigh this blame on.

I can believe that this was done by equipment people that know what Brady wants. I can accept plausible deniability. I know there are people on this forum that would do some shady ass shit to ensure our Chiefs a Super Bowl berth out of love. I can only imagine the passion is even greater inside the inner core.

I don't need heads to roll. But the organization should be smacked. I would say the same thing no matter what level the cheating was found on. Even if someone changed the opposing team's lemon Gatorade to cherry.

And the NFL needs a new leader. Maybe a chick.
I know Condi wants the job.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:14 AM   #2285
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So because you didn't caught speeding by the Cop 100 miles back, you should automatically get a pass when you get caught, still speeding, 100 miles later?
It isn't the QB's or the teams job to make sure they are legal. Brady could easily let some air out of the balls without a gauge, feel it in his hand and give a thumbs up. There is one person responsible for making sure the ball is legal, and that is the ref that checks it. If he failed to do his job properly the system falls apart. There was a reason the rule was written to have the refs check them.
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The NFL now needs to put a rule in place. All game balls are checked before the game and logged. It's repeated at half time and the balls are brought back into league specifications.

And they should probably meet in the middle and make it so they have to be at 13 PSI with a +/- .5 PSI differential at half time. That and the NFL needs to now have a league mandated employee who is around the balls at all time.

Thanks again Pats. What's next up your sleeve?
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You are correct. However, the refs "checked" the balls, and without logging the pressures, we don't know whether they were in line or not. So it leaves out a pretty key part of the "evidence" against the Pats.
So if the refs say, "We checked every ball with a gauge, and every one was in the range of 12.5-13.5 psi," you wouldn't believe them?
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It isn't the QB's or the teams job to make sure they are legal. Brady could easily let some air out of the balls without a gauge, feel it in his hand and give a thumbs up. There is one person responsible for making sure the ball is legal, and that is the ref that checks it. If he failed to do his job properly the system falls apart. There was a reason the rule was written to have the refs check them.
It's one thing to try and sneak the balls by the refs before the game. It's a completely different thing to **** with the balls after they've been approved.
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Absolutely.

Belichick's "letter of the law" rant aside, if you are going to trust a team to not push every boundary they possibly can to gain advantage, then you have ****ed up.

You know why holding is, essentially, legal? because teams pushed and pushed, and dared refs to call it every play. When it was proven they wouldn't, then it simply became a matter of "how" guys could hold, rather than "if."
NFL standard is preponderance of the evidence, though. Couple that with dire consequences, and we'll get this back in line.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:24 AM   #2290
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It's one thing to try and sneak the balls by the refs before the game. It's a completely different thing to **** with the balls after they've been approved.
One of the things I saw was that no gauge was used, that it was just a pressure test, which could be the guy squeezed it and said okay. But really, do we have enough details to know for sure when and what happened?

If it was just a squeeze test by the ref, and he let them past him, would you agree that it is his fault?
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So if the refs say, "We checked every ball with a gauge, and every one was in the range of 12.5-13.5 psi," you wouldn't believe them?
Two weeks after the fact?
I'd probably believe that they believed it, but I wouldn't base punishing a team on it.

That said, I fully expect them to be punished.
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Two weeks after the fact?
I'd probably believe that they believed it, but I wouldn't base punishing a team on it.

That said, I fully expect them to be punished.
They've intentionally not been releasing information until their investigation is complete. You're going to try to use their caution in releasing facts against them?
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My God am I sick of hearing about this shit, I'm not even a Pats fan but its reached the level of hysterics.
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