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ArrowheadHawk · 07:58 PM

11 straight Conference Championships!

Ranking #9 (26-8,13-5)

Non-Con Schedule (11-2)

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Conference Schedule

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Fri, March 20 NMSU at Kansas Omaha, NE CBS at 11:15a.m. CT

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Prison Bitch · 02-07-2015, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red

as someone mentioned earlier - this early loss is a good thing sometimes w/ NCAA hoops - probably really will help wake you all up - you guys have some ballers no doubt - just a little sloppy today - shake it off mates.

We were 1 point faves and are pretty close in Pomeroy. That wasn't much of an upset today.

Ceej · 02-08-2015, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

21 points in the 2nd half

Can't beat any D1 teams scoring that poorly.

**BigRedChief** · 02-08-2015, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Yes. NBA teams don't draft based on college production, they draft based on potential.

For some guys, it clicks in earlier than others (see Wiggins/Embiid last year). For some guys, it takes longer (the Morris twins were a ****ing mess in year 1 for example, but they become elite in year 2/3 and are now very productive NBA players). Talented freshmen struggling at the NCAA level is not exactly a new phenomenon.

Well that sucks. KU gets the top talent but they may never play like top talent in their first year but will still move on to the NBA and be 1st rounders in the NBA?

Is this happening on all the top college teams?

Prison Bitch · 02-08-2015, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Drew has slowed the pace of the game down completely to TCU's level in order to reach that point (the game they played against KU earlier this year had the lowest amount of possessions for a KU game in the Self era). And the last thing college basketball needs is more teams like that.

Well, they're 10th in Pomeroy's off-efficiency so they can certainly score.

saphojunkie · 02-08-2015, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Well that sucks. KU gets the top talent but they may never play like top talent in their first year but will still move on to the NBA and be 1st rounders in the NBA?

Is this happening on all the top college teams?

Yep. Happened to UCLA last year. Happened to Kentucky the Robert Morris year.

Archie Goodwin was supposed to be a phenom. Instead he left school early to barely be a first rounder, and has rode the bench.

It happens.

Prison Bitch · 02-08-2015, 12:51 PM

Pomeroy today:

9. OU
10. Baylor
12. Kansas
19. ISU
20. West Vir
21. Texas
22. Okie Light

Reerun_KC · 02-08-2015, 01:05 PM

Need OU to step up tomorrow night and Kansas needs to take care of business at home. That embarrassing performance and coaching clinic put on by Travis ford didnt do Kansas any favors yesterday.

Chiefs Pantalones · 02-08-2015, 05:37 PM

Free Cliff

I've written about this twice already, but it's such a big storyline that it's worth going over again.

Kansas coach Bill Self giving more minutes to Jamari Traylor over Cliff Alexander is puzzling at the least and even more head-scratching when comparing the two statistically.

The Jayhawks' 67-62 loss to Oklahoma State was another example. In the first half, Traylor played 13 minutes had four points on 1-for-4 shooting with five rebounds and three turnovers in 13 minutes. Alexander, meanwhile, had eight points on 4-for-4 shooting with four rebounds and one turnover in 12 minutes.

Alexander, clearly, was KU's better player in the first half as the Jayhawks built an 11-point lead.

In the second half, Self played Traylor 10 minutes and Alexander four. Traylor also was in during the game's most important minutes, surrendering a turnover — his sixth of the game — that turned into an Anthony Hickey layup and doubled OSU's lead from two to four with 2:32 left.

So what is it that Self is seeing that has him put Traylor on the court while limiting Alexander to the bench?

At this point, I'm not sure. Here's how the two match up statistically in 20 different measures.

These numbers aren't close. Alexander is a better shooter, rebounder, shot-blocker, ballhandler, contact creator and shot-blocker than Traylor while fouling less often.

I figured maybe Traylor had been playing better lately. That hasn't been the case either.

I understand that stats don't tell us everything about basketball. I get that we can't fully quantify energy plays or good rotation rebounding, and that there's some part of evaluation that has to be outside the numbers.

Having said that, I feel safe in saying there are no amount of intangibles that can make up for this difference statistically. Traylor is one of my favorite people to talk to and a great kid who has overcome a lot of obstacles, but this isn't about that for Self; it's about getting the best players on the court so they can produce and give the team the best chance at winning, both now and in the future.

Self did address Alexander's role at his weekly press conference last week, as he was asked if the big man had hit a freshman wall.

"I don't think he's hit a wall by any stretch, but he hasn't scored the ball as much lately," Self said. "But if you look at how he scored in other games it's off of penetration. It's not off of catching the ball in the post and making post moves or scoring over people as much as it is dropoffs and offensive rebounds and transitions. So I think Cliff's doing fine.

"We can say his minutes are down, maybe down two minutes a game or three minutes a game or whatnot. But we've had some guys step up."

Self is right in saying Alexander isn't perfect. He's not great scoring with his back to the basket. He sometimes messes up plays. He can get lost defensively.

From a big-picture perspective, though, all that shouldn't matter. KU has been a better team when Alexander is on the court, especially when he is in there alongside Perry Ellis.

It's time for Self to give his freshman big a longer leash — both for his team now and also to help its potential ceiling in postseason play.

Most outstanding Jayhawk vs. Oklahoma State: Brannen Greene

Stat of the day: Kansas made 11 of 33 2-pointers against Oklahoma State, continuing a season-long issue of making inside shots.

If you look at the last five seasons, four of the Jayhawks' worst seven 2-point performances have come with this team.

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KC_Connection · 02-08-2015, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Well, they're 10th in Pomeroy's off-efficiency so they can certainly score.

I'm not saying it's the wrong call for them to slow the game down, it's working for them. Still awful to watch.

Prison Bitch · 02-08-2015, 06:58 PM

You must have a more developed set of eyeballs than I since they're scoring 1 bucket less per game than we are (72.1/per vs 70.3)

**BigRedChief** · 02-08-2015, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

Kansas coach Bill Self giving more minutes to Jamari Traylor over Cliff Alexander is puzzling at the least and even more head-scratching when comparing the two statistically.

This n00b was basically pointing out the same thing.

Does Self ever get asked questions and give real answers or have Div 1 coaches all gone Belicheck?

**Buehler445** · 02-08-2015, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

This n00b was basically pointing out the same thing.

Does Self ever get asked questions and give real answers or have Div 1 coaches all gone Belicheck?

He's actually the most candid coach I've ever heard speak. I mean he's not telling Holly Rowe about technical stuff in his 30 seconds. But if you listen to press conferences and coaches shows he's really candid.

CoMoChief · 02-08-2015, 07:54 PM

Kansas cant beat the press...its like they forget to even know how to inbound the ball and get the ball up court. 1 error after another after another...the whole entire offense breaks down.

KC_Connection · 02-08-2015, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

You must have a more developed set of eyeballs than I since they're scoring 1 bucket less per game than we are (72.1/per vs 70.3)

Have absolutely no idea what that has to do with their extremely slow tempo (289 out of 351 teams). You can be a good offensive team and still be horrible to watch when you play that slow (look no further than Virginia).

Prison Bitch · 02-08-2015, 08:25 PM

The gap with KU is 4 possessions per game. 1 every ten minutes of play. I think you're basing your opinion of their style on that awful first game they played vs us.

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ArrowheadHawk Rock Chalk! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Casino cash: $7744961	** OFFICIAL 2014-2015 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread 11 straight Conference Championships! Ranking #9 (26-8,13-5) Non-Con Schedule (11-2) Spoiler! 11/14/2014 UC Santa Barbara Lawrence, Kan. W 69-59 (1-0) 11/18/2014 Kentucky Indianapolis, Ind. L 40-72 (1-1) Orlando Classic 11/24/2014 Rider Lawrence, Kan. W 87-60 (2-1) 11/27/2014 Rhode Island Orlando, Fla. W 76-60 (3-1) 11/28/2014 Tennessee Orlando, Fla. W 82-67 (4-1) 11/30/2014 Michigan State Orlando, Fla. W 61-56 (5-1) 12/5/2014 Florida Lawrence, Kan. W 71-65 (6-1) 12/10/2014 Georgetown Washington, DC W 75-70 (7-1) 12/13/2014 Utah Kansas City, Mo. W 63-60 (8-1) 12/20/2014 Lafayette Lawrence, Kan. W 96-69 (9-1) 12/22/2014 Temple Philadelphia, PA L 52-77 (9-2) 12/30/2014 Kent State Lawrence, Kan. W 78-62 (10-2) 1/4/2015 UNLV Lawrence, Kan. W 76-61 (11-2) Conference Schedule Spoiler! 1/7/2015 Baylor Waco, Texas W 56-55 (12-2,1-0) 1/10/2015 Texas Tech Lawrence, Kan. W 86-54 (13-2,2-0) 1/13/2015 Oklahoma State Lawrence, Kan. W 67-57 (14-2,3-0) 1/17/2015 Iowa State Ames, Iowa L 81-86 (14-3,3-1) 1/19/2015 Oklahoma Lawrence, Kan. W 85-78 (15-3,4-1) 1/24/2015 Texas Austin, Texas W 75-62 (16-3,5-1) 1/28/2015 TCU Fort Worth, Texas W 64-61(17-3,6-1) 1/31/2015 Kansas State Lawrence, Kan. W 68-57(18-3,7-1) 2/2/2015 Iowa State Lawrence, Kan. W 89-76(19-3,8-1) 2/7/2015 Oklahoma State Stillwater, Okla. L 62-67(19-4,8-2) 2/10/2015 Texas Tech Lubbock, Texas W 73-51(20-4,9-2) 2/14/2015 Baylor Lawrence, Kan. W 74-64(21-4,10-2) 2/16/2015 West Virginia Morgantown, W. Va. L 61-62(21-5,10-3) 2/21/2015 TCU Lawrence, Kan. W 81-72(22-5,11-3) 2/23/2015 Kansas State Manhattan, Kan. L 63-70(22-6,11-4) 2/28/2015 Texas Lawrence, Kan. W 69-64(23-6,12-4) 3/3/2015 West Virginia Lawrence, Kan. W 76-69(24-6,12-4) 3/7/2015 Oklahoma Norman, Okla. L 73-75(24-7,12-5) Big 12 Championship 3/12/2015 TCU Kansas City, Mo. W 64-59(25-7) 3/13/2015 Baylor KC, Mo W 62-52(26-7) 3/14/2015 Iowa State KC, Mo W 66-70(25-8) Fri, March 20 NMSU at Kansas Omaha, NE CBS at 11:15a.m. CT Players Spoiler!** New Players Hunter Mickelson - F Transfer Cliff Alexander - 5 Star C Kelly Oubre - 5 Star F/G Devonte Graham - 4 Star PG Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk - (Not Ranked but equivalent to 5 Star) G Players Lost Tarik Black - Graduation Andrew Wiggins - NBA Draft Joel Embiid - NBA Draft Justin Wesley - Graduation Niko Roberts - Graduation Christian Garrett - Graduation Naadir Tharpe - Transfer Andrew White - Transfer Conner Frankamp - Transfer Returning Starters Wayne Selden, Jr. - G - Sophmore Perry Ellis - F - Junior Last edited by ArrowheadHawk; 03-16-2015 at 07:58 PM..
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02-08-2015, 12:51 PM	#3081
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02-08-2015, 01:05 PM	#3082
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02-08-2015, 05:37 PM	#3083
Chiefs Pantalones GO CHIEFS!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $6878717	Free Cliff I've written about this twice already, but it's such a big storyline that it's worth going over again. Kansas coach Bill Self giving more minutes to Jamari Traylor over Cliff Alexander is puzzling at the least and even more head-scratching when comparing the two statistically. The Jayhawks' 67-62 loss to Oklahoma State was another example. In the first half, Traylor played 13 minutes had four points on 1-for-4 shooting with five rebounds and three turnovers in 13 minutes. Alexander, meanwhile, had eight points on 4-for-4 shooting with four rebounds and one turnover in 12 minutes. Alexander, clearly, was KU's better player in the first half as the Jayhawks built an 11-point lead. In the second half, Self played Traylor 10 minutes and Alexander four. Traylor also was in during the game's most important minutes, surrendering a turnover — his sixth of the game — that turned into an Anthony Hickey layup and doubled OSU's lead from two to four with 2:32 left. So what is it that Self is seeing that has him put Traylor on the court while limiting Alexander to the bench? At this point, I'm not sure. Here's how the two match up statistically in 20 different measures. These numbers aren't close. Alexander is a better shooter, rebounder, shot-blocker, ballhandler, contact creator and shot-blocker than Traylor while fouling less often. I figured maybe Traylor had been playing better lately. That hasn't been the case either. I understand that stats don't tell us everything about basketball. I get that we can't fully quantify energy plays or good rotation rebounding, and that there's some part of evaluation that has to be outside the numbers. Having said that, I feel safe in saying there are no amount of intangibles that can make up for this difference statistically. Traylor is one of my favorite people to talk to and a great kid who has overcome a lot of obstacles, but this isn't about that for Self; it's about getting the best players on the court so they can produce and give the team the best chance at winning, both now and in the future. Self did address Alexander's role at his weekly press conference last week, as he was asked if the big man had hit a freshman wall. "I don't think he's hit a wall by any stretch, but he hasn't scored the ball as much lately," Self said. "But if you look at how he scored in other games it's off of penetration. It's not off of catching the ball in the post and making post moves or scoring over people as much as it is dropoffs and offensive rebounds and transitions. So I think Cliff's doing fine. "We can say his minutes are down, maybe down two minutes a game or three minutes a game or whatnot. But we've had some guys step up." Self is right in saying Alexander isn't perfect. He's not great scoring with his back to the basket. He sometimes messes up plays. He can get lost defensively. From a big-picture perspective, though, all that shouldn't matter. KU has been a better team when Alexander is on the court, especially when he is in there alongside Perry Ellis. It's time for Self to give his freshman big a longer leash — both for his team now and also to help its potential ceiling in postseason play. Most outstanding Jayhawk vs. Oklahoma State: Brannen Greene Stat of the day: Kansas made 11 of 33 2-pointers against Oklahoma State, continuing a season-long issue of making inside shots. If you look at the last five seasons, four of the Jayhawks' worst seven 2-point performances have come with this team. http://cjon.co/1EQiLMk __________________ Don't be fooled by my username, I'm white.
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02-08-2015, 06:58 PM	#3085
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02-08-2015, 07:54 PM	#3088
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02-08-2015, 08:25 PM	#3090
Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	The gap with KU is 4 possessions per game. 1 every ten minutes of play. I think you're basing your opinion of their style on that awful first game they played vs us.
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