*** Official Youth, High School, College and International Wrestling Thread ***

[rico]

I can't be the only wrestling fan on this site. In fact, I know I that's not the case. The almighty king of n00bs, Sorter, is a wrestling fan. I figure there could be more.....????

Discuss anything wrestling related:

Youth wrestling: Heck, wrestling in Iowa has a rabid Youth wrestling scene...I lived through it, my younger brother lived through it and my brothers who are 15 and 13 are living through it, well the 13 year old is anyway...he's in high school. The 13 year old is a 7th grader who has been wrestling since he was 5 years old and has accumulated 4 state championships since his second grade year...a total badass. Believe it or not, Iowa has a youth wrestling forum that is hopping...even during the summer. Iowans take this stuff seriously. I'm assuming other states have rabid youth followings, for when I watch my bros at National tourneys, we are constantly running into kids and super clubs from other states that are amazing. Ironically, one of the biggest youth tourneys our club hits annually is the Park Hill Individual and Dual tournament...which to my knowledge is in Kansas City (I've never attended that one). Do any of you have kids who are wrestling? If so, how are they doing?

High School Wrestling: High school and college wrestling in Iowa is big... we are known for it, ask AC Slater. State tournament is a big, televised event at the Wells Fargo dome...you will see probably 10 times more spectators at state wrestling in Iowa then any other high school sporting event in Iowa. With some of the crazy talent I have seen/wrestled against at Fargo Nationals, I am assuming that it's either on the rise or just as big in other states as well... What are your thoughts on some of the high school wrestlers and/or teams out there?

College Wrestling: Hell, you Missourians semi-recently had those Askren brothers. I've never met Max, but have met Ben. He was the celebrity guest at Iowa Grade School State one year...he signed autographs and handed the medals and wall charts to all of the kids on the podium that year, which was cool because my youngest brother won it that year and was able to get his championship singlet signed by him. I was with my brother when he approached him....Askren struck me as a funny, goofy type of dude. I don't know Max, but someone posted his blog on an Iowa wrestling message board and the dude seems like a character. I know there are some Oklahomans' who post on this board. Anyone see Okie State defeat Iowa this past weekend? Iowa's first dual loss of the year. Anyone have any thoughts on college wrestling?

International Wrestling: Any of you have any thoughts on the international wrestling scene? Future Olympians, future Olympic champs, future World champs, Greco, Freestyle, etc.?

Wrestling Memories/General Discussion: Any of you have any memories you'd like to share from your personal experience(s) of wrestling when you were in youth, high school or college? Any opinions on females wrestling with males. Last year, a girl named Megan Black made history in Iowa by placing at state. Do you believe females should be able to wrestle with males at that age? Any thoughts on weight cutting? What are some of the most memorable matches to you? Who are your favorite wrestlers? One match that always sticks out to me is this:



Crazy match.

My favorite wrestler (besides my bros and former teammates) of all time is ironically not an Iowan. I don't really have a favorite team in wrestling...I root for individuals. It's a dude from Ohio that I initially hated because I didn't like the way he conducted himself after a match vs. my brother in the national duals when he and my brother were Seniors in High School, in which he defeated my brother. Kid was cocky. He and my brother both went on to wrestle D1, so I followed him since I knew who he was. I ended up becoming a huge fan of the kid's style...the kid could hit cradles from ANY position. He went on to win 2 National titles for Ohio State...and did so both years as an underdog, for he'd lose quite a few silly matches during the season, presumably due to his risky, but dangerous style that worked well for him at NCAA Nationals. It's a dude named Jeff Jaggers. First vid is what really put his name on the map as a high school wrestler. 2nd vid is his 1st NCAA championship as a Junior, in a match where he was a huge underdog, broke his ankle during the match and gutted it out and won. My favorite wrestlers tend to be the ones who are risk takers or brawlers...not afraid to be aggressive or take chances. I can't stand stallish wrestlers who are successful as hell simply because they don't open up and therefore don't give up points and score their own points by capitalizing on the other wrestler's aggression. Boring.






So what ya got?

Note: I have been posting on wrestling message boards for 12 years and I (and I'm sure everyone else involved with the sport) have heard every wrestling joke (rolling around with men, etc.) imaginable, but if ya want to clown on the sport, shoot... it was inevitable to happen anyways on CP, so have at it!

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by rico

It's based off of rankings, not seeds. I should have specified that. Still though, this post was super helpful. Thanks man.

I will post the rules of the pool that I am in...maybe we can get something like this started on here???

1.) Each entry will consist of 10 wrestlers. 1 wrestler per weight class.

2.) The top 15 ranked wrestlers in each weight class will be assigned a point value based on their ranking from 20 to 2. Here are the values:

Ranked 1: 20
Ranked 2: 17
Ranked 3: 15
Ranked 4: 14
Ranked 5: 12
Ranked 6: 11
Ranked 7: 9
Ranked 8: 8
Ranked 9: 6
Ranked 10: 5
Ranked 11: 4
Ranked 12: 3
Ranked 13: 2
Ranked 14: 2
Ranked 15: 2

3) TEAMS WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 130 POINTS. THERE IS NO MINIMUM.

4.) CHAMPION BONUS: Each team will list its choice for champion at each weight class in a separate space provided. There are no values assigned, simply choose who you think will win. 2 points will be awarded for each correct pick. 2 points X 10 weight classes = 20 points possible. This is like adding a champion to your team.

6. Tie Breaker Criteria:

A.) Most champions on roster.
B.) Most All-Americans on roster.
C.) Most bonus pick champions.
D.) Highest Individul Scorer on Roster
E.) Split

* Then it goes into the money shit, that wouldn't apply here if we did this, but for what it's worth: 60% payout to 1st place, 25% payout to 2nd place, 15% payout to 3rd place.

MY TEAM:

125: Gilman (12)
133: Clark (12)
141: Stieber (20)
149: Tsirtsis (20)
157: Murphy (8)
165: Harger (9)
174: Wilps (9)
184: Pfarr (3)
197: J'Den (20)
HWT: McMullan (17)

*130 on the dot.

MY CHAMPION PICKS

125: Waters
133: Clark
141: Stieber
149: Houdashelt
157: Martinez
165: Dieringer
174: Kokesh
184: Dean
197: J'Den
Hwt: McMullan

Anyone want to try this out? Could be fun.

Sure. Ill put up a lineup and see how it does against yours.

Team- 129 points

125- Garrett 15
133- Hall 9
141- Stieber 20
149- Houdashelt 17
157- Green 14
165- Dieringer 20
174- Epperly 6
184- Brooks 4
197- Schiller 12
Hwt- Coon 12

Champions

125- Garrett
133- Taylor
141- Stieber
149- Houdashelt
157- Martinez
165- Dieringer
174- Kokesh
184- Thomusseit
197- Gadson
Hwt- Gwiazdowski

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

I've always heard positive things about coach Brian Smith at Mizzou. I don't have any connections to the program, but by all accounts they are easily one of the best in the nation.

Follow the link and it'll take you to a little walkthrough of the facilities with Brian Smith (from last year).

Also, on the right side of the page, you'll find more Mizzou wrestling videos --interviews with wrestlers, more Brian Smith, etc.

http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage...s#.VQWKBix0zIU

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by rico

Anyone know of that kid or how he did as a Freshman this season? 2-3 years ago, my bro used to have battles with a Mizzou kid named Weston Diblasi, but those two have seemed to grow apart from each other in weight. Anyone know anything about either of those 2?

I never mind entering the wormhole that is trackwrestling.com to look up results

Jacob Beeson- 126 pounds
-1st at the prestigious Tulsa Kickoff Classic at 15 and under- 125 pounds
- 3rd at 5A Kansas state championships

Notable matches:
Lost 9-7 to multiple Fargo AA Matthew Schmitt of Missouri
Lost 9-5 to Bettendorf wrestler and 3A state placer Jackson Gallagher
Lost 3-2 to 2014 folkstyle nationals runner-up and OU commit Sean DeShazor

Weston DiBlasi- 126 pounds
USAW Preseason nationals- 5th
Kansas City Stampede- 7th
Walsh Ironman (toughest tournament in the nation)- 1-2
Class 4 state championships- 6th

Notable matches/matchups:
Went 1-2 against Colorado state champion Jacob Greenwood
Beat Oklahoma 6A runner-up Dalton Duffield (120 pounds) 8-6
Beat Oklahoma 6A third place finisher Brandon Bright (120 pounds) 5-4

[rico]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

Sure. Ill put up a lineup and see how it does against yours.

Team- 129 points

125- Garrett 15
133- Hall 9
141- Stieber 20
149- Houdashelt 17
157- Green 14
165- Dieringer 20
174- Epperly 6
184- Brooks 4
197- Schiller 12
Hwt- Coon 12

Champions

125- Garrett
133- Taylor
141- Stieber
149- Houdashelt
157- Martinez
165- Dieringer
174- Kokesh
184- Thomusseit
197- Gadson
Hwt- Gwiazdowski

I had someone at work give me all kinds of shit for going all in with the 20 points for J'den Cox instead of for Dieringer at 165. Dude wouldn't drop it for 30 minutes. I work with a bunch of wrestlers.

[rico]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

I never mind entering the wormhole that is trackwrestling.com to look up results

Jacob Beeson- 126 pounds
-1st at the prestigious Tulsa Kickoff Classic at 15 and under- 125 pounds
- 3rd at 5A Kansas state championships

Notable matches:
Lost 9-7 to multiple Fargo AA Matthew Schmitt of Missouri
Lost 9-5 to Bettendorf wrestler and 3A state placer Jackson Gallagher
Lost 3-2 to 2014 folkstyle nationals runner-up and OU commit Sean DeShazor

Weston DiBlasi- 126 pounds
USAW Preseason nationals- 5th
Kansas City Stampede- 7th
Walsh Ironman (toughest tournament in the nation)- 1-2
Class 4 state championships- 6th

Notable matches/matchups:
Went 1-2 against Colorado state champion Jacob Greenwood
Beat Oklahoma 6A runner-up Dalton Duffield (120 pounds) 8-6
Beat Oklahoma 6A third place finisher Brandon Bright (120 pounds) 5-4

I've been spelling Beeson's name incorrectly all along. No wonder it was a bitch trying to find him on track. Sounds like that kid was the real deal. I can't believe he got beat by Gallagher, though. Gallagher is a kid who I've watched for 6-7 years and just last year/this year he started beating some top notch kids and doing well...He used to be a "place in the top 8 IF he places type of kid," but now he seems to be beating hammers. I guess I'll just have to accept Gallagher as a legit, borderline elite kid.

Diblasi isn't too shabby either, it appears.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by rico

I had someone at work give me all kinds of shit for going all in with the 20 points for J'den Cox instead of for Dieringer at 165. Dude wouldn't drop it for 30 minutes. I work with a bunch of wrestlers.

Bo Jordan will give Dieringer a hell of a match, IMO. Don't see much of a difference between picking one over the other with regard to Cox/Dieringer. The only reason I didn't pick Cox is because of rooting interest. I really would like to see Gadson win. The only thing I saw that was a little off was spending 20 on Tsirtsis and then picking Houdashelt. Are you hedging?

[rico]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

Bo Jordan will give Dieringer a hell of a match, IMO. Don't see much of a difference between picking one over the other with regard to Cox/Dieringer. The only reason I didn't pick Cox is because of rooting interest. I really would like to see Gadson win. The only thing I saw that was a little off was spending 20 on Tsirtsis and then picking Houdashelt. Are you hedging?

Yes indeed, I am.

I do think this is Houdashelt's year though. Wrestling great, plus he's been an All-American twice already, hasn't he?

If I had to pick one, it'd be Houdashelt....but I did decide to hedge there to be safe.

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by rico

AWESOME!!!Missouri state or Kansas state tournament?! What grade? Wasn't this his 1st or second season wrestling? That is wonderful news! Congratulations to your boy! Looks like you may have a monster on your hands!

Wrestling becomes addicting once you either do it or have a loved one who becomes involved, doesn't it?

This was in Arkansas, so placing 4th isn't as impressive as it would be in MO or KS or IA. This was his first season, and he wrestles in division I down here due to his birthday (in Missouri tournaments, he wrestles division II).

Anyway, it was a lot of fun throughout the season. I'm definitely going to show him some of those awesome videos that were posted. Very cool.

[NewChief]

Bear with me, as I'm new to this and it may be obvious: what's the best way to get a return to a guy who stands up? People constantly get escapes from my son after he gets their back. He'll ankle pick to try to break them down from their base, and that's pretty successful. If they get stood up, though, and he's behind them with his arms wrapped abound their belly with a gable grip, he just sort of gets lots and they eventually peel his hands and escape.

[rico]

Originally Posted by NewChief

Bear with me, as I'm new to this and it may be obvious: what's the best way to get a return to a guy who stands up? People constantly get escapes from my son after he gets their back. He'll ankle pick to try to break them down from their base, and that's pretty successful. If they get stood up, though, and he's behind them with his arms wrapped abound their belly with a gable grip, he just sort of gets lots and they eventually peel his hands and escape.

You'll see a lot of guys lock up around the opponent's waist, lift and attempt to return them to the mat. IMO, this burns a lot of energy. I always preferred going down to a single leg and tripping them back down to the mat in that situation.

[rico]

A lot of odd results at the NCAA's today...

[GloryDayz]

On ESPN now...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Alan Waters going undefeated through his senior season and losing in the national semis is about the most Mizzou thing ever.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Alan Waters going undefeated through his senior season and losing in the national semis is about the most Mizzou thing ever.

And it was in the last few seconds.

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Alan Waters going undefeated through his senior season and losing in the national semis is about the most Mizzou thing ever.

Also moving into 2nd place and then getting a guy DQ'd to lose all his points.