Kcchiefs article on Justin Houston extension

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by RunKC

And this right here is where This poster uses misguided numbers to try and exaggerate a point that isn't there.

"Justin Houston is 32nd in pass coverage."

The facts are that Houston lined up in coverage 158 times last year and was only targeted 10 times all season.
He surrendered only 7 catches for 45 yards all year, 4 of those catches coming in one game vs the Bills."

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ustin-houston/

Get this hyperbole bullshit outta here.

I was using the same ratings as were used to argue that Houston was a complete linebacker.

Also, Miller was in coverage 113 times, and gave up 11 catches for 76 yards. Attributing catches and yards to these guys is nearly meaningless, though, because they will almost always be dropping in zone, not man-to-man on a single receiver.

[Hydrae]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

I was using the same ratings as were used to argue that Houston was a complete linebacker.

Also, Miller was in coverage 113 times, and gave up 11 catches for 76 yards. Attributing catches and yards to these guys is nearly meaningless, though, because they will almost always be dropping in zone, not man-to-man on a single receiver.

I am only following peripherally while on a conference call but from what I am reading Von rushed more times, had less sacks and was in coverage less times and gave up more catches and yards.

Unless I am missing something that sounds like you should be arguing that Houston is better.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Hydrae

I am only following peripherally while on a conference call but from what I am reading Von rushed more times, had less sacks and was in coverage less times and gave up more catches and yards.

Unless I am missing something that sounds like you should be arguing that Houston is better.

Hali was in coverage 111 times, and gave up 1 catch for 2 yards. It might be wise for KC to try him out at safety.

In other, non-sarcastic words, what you're missing is the context of each play.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

If you're going to call him a "complete linebacker", why don't they ever compare him to all the linebackers? That 1st/4th/4th thing is only true if you compare him to only 3-4 OLBs. Seriously, he was beaten in the coverage rating by Hali and Peppers. Those aren't exactly good coverage guys.

If you actually compare him to all the LBs, he is 1st in rushing, 32nd in coverage, and 19th against the run.

Von, by the way, is 2nd/28th/2nd.

Von also leads Houston in games suspended, bags of pot smoked and gereral dumbassery.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

Von also leads Houston in games suspended, bags of pot smoked and gereral dumbassery.

And playoff wins.

[RunKC]

We get it Hef. You're a Von homer and you can't take it that Houston not only has a deal done but is seen by the general public, and players, as better at this point in time.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by RunKC

We get it Hef. You're a Von homer and you can't take it that Houston not only has a deal done but is seen by the general public, and players, as better at this point in time.

You're right. I'm super mad that Houston's contract ended a year earlier than Von's.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

And playoff wins.

And playoff losses. So suck a dick.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

And playoff losses. So suck a dick.

you should know about playoff losses...

[RunKC]

You can tell these Bronco fans are mad bc all of them keep bringing up Von and whining.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by RunKC

You can tell these Bronco fans are mad bc all of them keep bringing up Von and whining.

It's the natural comparison. They play essentially the same position for division rivals.

Which, by the way, says something when the stat that keeps coming up seems deliberately structured to not include Von. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Von beats Houston in 2 of the 3 categories.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

It's the natural comparison. They play essentially the same position for division rivals.

Which, by the way, says something when the stat that keeps coming up seems deliberately structured to not include Von. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Von beats Houston in 2 of the 3 categories.

You've just noted that he doesn't play the same position.

Setting aside for the moment the fact that PFF remains bullshit and it's laughable that that they try to sell it as 'objective' when it's literally just some guy like you or me watching game film and grading him, different positions are going to yield different grades due to different responsibilities.

Hold your wads, fellas. We can all say who we think might be better, but in the end, this will be the first time they play similar roles. It'll be fascinating to see how it goes. Personally I think you're looking at 1A and 1B in some order - these guys are both amazing ballplayers. I think Houston's just a little more explosive but of course I'm going to think that.

In either event, it's going to get settled on the field in just a few short months. Without Miller having played a single snap in a 3-4, it's just not an argument worth having right now.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You've just noted that he doesn't play the same position.

Setting aside for the moment the fact that PFF remains bullshit and it's laughable that that they try to sell it as 'objective' when it's literally just some guy like you or me watching game film and grading him, different positions are going to yield different grades due to different responsibilities.

Hold your wads, fellas. We can all say who we think might be better, but in the end, this will be the first time they play similar roles. It'll be fascinating to see how it goes. Personally I think you're looking at 1A and 1B in some order - these guys are both amazing ballplayers. I think Houston's just a little more explosive but of course I'm going to think that.

In either event, it's going to get settled on the field in just a few short months. Without Miller having played a single snap in a 3-4, it's just not an argument worth having right now.

They play the same position. Denver's 4-3 over the past 4 years has really been a 5-2, with the 2 outside linemen (Von on one side, Dumervil/Phillips/Ware on the other) really being OLBs. Going down the line, the players had the same responsibilities, even though their position titles may have been different.

Ware : Hali
Williams : Howard
Knighton : Poe
Wolfe : Bailey
Miller : Houston

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

They play the same position. Denver's 4-3 over the past 4 years has really been a 5-2, with the 2 outside linemen (Von on one side, Dumervil/Phillips/Ware on the other) really being OLBs. Going down the line, the players had the same responsibilities, even though their position titles may have been different.

Ware : Hali
Williams : Howard
Knighton : Poe
Wolfe : Bailey
Miller : Houston

I have no idea how you guys ran your defense, but if Miller Ware was playing as a down lineman (especially if Miller was playing as a down lineman) as you seem to be suggesting by saying they were running a 5-2 front, then it's not even remotely similar.

I think you're reaching here.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

It's the natural comparison. They play essentially the same position for division rivals.

Which, by the way, says something when the stat that keeps coming up seems deliberately structured to not include Von. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Von beats Houston in 2 of the 3 categories.

The same position?

You guys ran a base 4-3 under Fox /Delrio, right? Not "essentially the same position" at all.