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Old 11-03-2015, 03:16 PM   #1
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You aren't going to consistently move the ball against a defense as good as the Broncos, no?
With a QB in his 9th year in the league, an offensive-minded HC who's been to a SB and several conference championship games, a supposedly great WR, a good young TE and a hall of fame running back there should be no excuses.

Not against Denver and not against Green Bay yet here were are.
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Old 11-03-2015, 03:20 PM   #2
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With a QB in his 9th year in the league, an offensive-minded HC who's been to a SB and several conference championship games, a supposedly great WR, a good young TE and a hall of fame running back there should be no excuses.

Not against Denver and not against Green Bay yet here were are.
Supposedly great WR? So I'm guessing your on the side that he isn't an improvement over Bowe, but thats a separate argument.

It took 5 turnovers for their to be any semblance of an excuse and a loss that day. Blame that on the coaching staff, players, etc however, but from the eye test, the Chiefs had a conference contender beat at home. Of course, this doens't match your natural tendency here at CP, so spin it however I guess.

Either way, at some point you've got to start winning said games, but the Chiefs haven't so it is what it is.
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Supposedly great WR? So I'm guessing your on the side that he isn't an improvement over Bowe, but thats a separate argument.

It took 5 turnovers for their to be any semblance of an excuse and a loss that day. Blame that on the coaching staff, players, etc however, but from the eye test, the Chiefs had a conference contender beat at home. Of course, this doens't match your natural tendency here at CP, so spin it however I guess.

Either way, at some point you've got to start winning said games, but the Chiefs haven't so it is what it is.
Maclin is a superior athlete to Bowe and has put up better career statistics, but the team is 3-5 halfway through the year with Maclin when they were 5-3 through last season with Bowe.

Gee, funny how getting Maclin hasn't translated to more wins because he doesn't have the benefit of being flanked by DeSean Jackson or Jordan Matthews.

And KC had Denver beat but for those five turnovers.. but let's ignore 0-7 on 3rd downs. That doesn't hint at anything wrong with the offense at all, does it. Especially when that was indicative of a trend that spanned multiple games.
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Maclin is a superior athlete to Bowe and has put up better career statistics, but the team is 3-5 halfway through the year with Maclin when they were 5-3 through last season with Bowe.

Gee, funny how getting Maclin hasn't translated to more wins because he doesn't have the benefit of being flanked by DeSean Jackson or Jordan Matthews.
The problem is A) he's the only threat at WR on the field and B) a QB that won't go to him deep when he's wide open.

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And KC had Denver beat but for those five turnovers.. but let's ignore 0-7 on 3rd downs. That doesn't hint at anything wrong with the offense at all, does it. Especially when that was indicative of a trend that spanned multiple games.
Stupid decisions by the HC led directly to two turnovers and 14 points. That's the game.

Kneel the ****ing ball and go in to the half with the lead.
Even if you don't do that you kneel the ball at the end of the game and give yourself a chance in OT.
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The problem is A) he's the only threat at WR on the field and B) a QB that won't go to him deep when he's wide open.
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Or how Maclin isn't getting open enough.

Or because Albert Wilson / Chris Conley aren't credible enough receivers to draw coverage away from Maclin.
... saw that one coming....


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Stupid decisions by the HC led directly to two turnovers and 14 points. That's the game.

Kneel the ****ing ball and go in to the half with the lead.
Even if you don't do that you kneel the ball at the end of the game and give yourself a chance in OT.
No argument that those decisions directly lead to the game being lost, but 0-7 on 3rd down. Again. Isn't the job of supposedly one of the best offensive-minded HCs in the league with his handpicked veteran QB with almost a decade of starting experience joined up with a playmaking WR, TE and Hall of Fame RB supposed to offer some sort of edge against great defenses?

I mean the Chiefs' defense was pretty good last year but an offensive minded HC in Arians managed to get a win with Drew Stanton at QB, and Denver had no trouble sweeping last year either.

So which is it: are good defenses invulnerable or is it within the realm of possibility to expect your coaching staff and the offensive skill players you have available to make plays and negate the advantages a good defense offers.
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No argument that those decisions directly lead to the game being lost, but 0-7 on 3rd down. Again.
QB, HC, and OL all failing at their jobs to help make each other worse collectively than any one alone...

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Isn't the job of supposedly one of the best offensive-minded HCs in the league with his handpicked veteran QB with almost a decade of starting experience joined up with a playmaking WR, TE and Hall of Fame RB supposed to offer some sort of edge against great defenses?
That was my expectation...

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So which is it: are good defenses invulnerable or is it within the realm of possibility to expect your coaching staff and the offensive skill players you have available to make plays and negate the advantages a good defense offers.
Again, that's the expectation.

The reality was hour HC made two HUGE coaching errors, Alex didn't play well, and our line was p00p. Each failure by one made it more difficult for the others.

The play calling was also bad. Just think - if we would have run the ball 4 more times than we did the time wouldn't have been on the clock for Denver to come back...
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Maclin is a superior athlete to Bowe and has put up better career statistics, but the team is 3-5 halfway through the year with Maclin when they were 5-3 through last season with Bowe.

Gee, funny how getting Maclin hasn't translated to more wins because he doesn't have the benefit of being flanked by DeSean Jackson or Jordan Matthews.

And KC had Denver beat but for those five turnovers.. but let's ignore 0-7 on 3rd downs. That doesn't hint at anything wrong with the offense at all, does it. Especially when that was indicative of a trend that spanned multiple games.
Hold on, no no no. You don't get to use wins and losses as a player statistic. That's hypocritical at best after all the smith blasting you've spewe'd towards those idiots.

You saying it hasn't translated to more wins has zero correlation to Maclin's effect on the offense. Faulty logic.

Maclin is one pace for what, over 1000 yards and 5 tds?
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Hold on, no no no. You don't get to use wins and losses as a player statistic. That's hypocritical at best after all the smith blasting you've spewe'd towards those idiots.

You saying it hasn't translated to more wins has zero correlation to Maclin's effect on the offense. Faulty logic.

Maclin is one pace for what, over 1000 yards and 5 tds?
He was brought in to help the Chiefs win games.


That. Hasn't. Happened.
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He was brought in to help the Chiefs win games.


That. Hasn't. Happened.
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He was brought in to help the Chiefs win games.


That. Hasn't. Happened.
You're no different than those here pointing to Alex smith as a winner with this argument.

Wins and losses are team statistics. Using them to justify or discredit individual play is pointless.

And no one is saying the things you're trying to point out as things you "called" earlier in the year, so let's let that go.
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That. Hasn't. Happened.
Well then, why was Justin Houston given a contract extension?
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