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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 12-31-2015, 01:36 PM   #2026
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I'm a big fan of Guthrie. He's obviously a huge leader in the clubhouse. Even when he wasn't on the postseason roster, he still led all off the postseason celebrations. He's not too full of himself and has fun.

Most importantly, he ate a lot of innings, kept the bullpen fresh and played a big role in getting this organization over the hump. People forget he was lights out in Sept 2014 and was a huge part of the stretch run to clinch a playoff spot for the first time. Then he outdueled Chen in the ALCS to put us up big, and then pitched great in game 3 to put us up 2-1 on the Giants. He ran out of gas this year but he should feel like he was a part of this team's success.
Yeah, he produced some damned gutty performances - hence JGuts - that 2014 doesn't happen without. If 2015 doesn't happen, I'm not sure if we enter 2015 with the focus and drive to make the championship happen.

He didn't have it this year, but it doesn't mean he wasn't important.
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Old 12-31-2015, 01:51 PM   #2027
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Old 12-31-2015, 01:56 PM   #2028
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Guts deserves criticism. He mad $12.2M this year to be the single worst pitcher among the top 110 guys by innings. He was a joke and a badly overpaid one. He seems like a nice guy but professionally he was atrocious.
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Old 12-31-2015, 02:07 PM   #2029
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Guts deserves criticism. He mad $12.2M this year to be the single worst pitcher among the top 110 guys by innings. He was a joke and a badly overpaid one. He seems like a nice guy but professionally he was atrocious.
Meh. Did he have a bad year? Yes. Is his career over? Probably. Should the Royals bring him back in 2016? Hell no.

But he did give the Royals a few very good years, and he always conducted himself like a pro. I save the hate for guys who deserve it. He doesn't.
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Old 12-31-2015, 02:35 PM   #2030
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Guts deserves criticism. He mad $12.2M this year to be the single worst pitcher among the top 110 guys by innings. He was a joke and a badly overpaid one. He seems like a nice guy but professionally he was atrocious.
He also went 7-2 with a 3.06 ERA over the final two months of 2014 to help lead their charge up the standings. Pitched 7 scoreless innings to win the game that clinched the Royals first playoff berth in 29 years. Outdueled Chen in game 3 of the ALCS to put a strangehold on the ALCS, and outdueled Tim Hudson to win game 3 of the World Series and put the Royals up 2-1. That's pretty tough, considering game 3 is usually the pivotal game.

He stunk this year but he should really be remembered positively. He was a huge part of turning this organization around. I know you're a robot about this stuff but come on now.
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Old 12-31-2015, 02:38 PM   #2031
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Guts prevented a sweep vs. the Tigers late in 2014 that probably saved our season. I consider that his most important game as a Royal.
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Old 12-31-2015, 02:38 PM   #2032
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I wish he'd have quit last winter.
Yeah, maybe we would have won the World Series.
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Old 12-31-2015, 02:40 PM   #2033
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Another funny stat, Guthrie is one of six Royals pitchers to start and pick up a win in a World Series game:

Dennis Leonard
Bret Saberhagen
Danny Jackson
Jeremy Guthrie
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Johnny Cueto
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Old 12-31-2015, 02:52 PM   #2034
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Yeah, maybe we would have won the World Series.
Exactly. Since we won despite him (and without him even on the playoff roster at all), I wish we'd have kept his 12.2 and applied it productively. Glad you agree.
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Exactly. Since we won despite him (and without him even on the playoff roster at all), I wish we'd have kept his 12.2 and applied it productively. Glad you agree.
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Old 12-31-2015, 03:07 PM   #2038
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He also went 7-2 with a 3.06 ERA over the final two months of 2014 to help lead their charge up the standings. Pitched 7 scoreless innings to win the game that clinched the Royals first playoff berth in 29 years. Outdueled Chen in game 3 of the ALCS to put a strangehold on the ALCS, and outdueled Tim Hudson to win game 3 of the World Series and put the Royals up 2-1. That's pretty tough, considering game 3 is usually the pivotal game.

He stunk this year but he should really be remembered positively. He was a huge part of turning this organization around. I know you're a robot about this stuff but come on now.
Agreed. We won the gd World Series, not sure how you find a way to criticize anything about this year's team if you're a Royals fan. I really like JGuts, and he did some really positive things for this org. Do I want him back next year? Nope, but that doesn't mean I don't think well of him. He made more than he was worth this year obviously, but that's completely water under the bridge at this point.
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Guthrie obviously mostly sucked this season, but how much of a hardened turd do you have to be to gripe about any of the players' efforts this year?



Won the World Series, but still pissed not every single player was great
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