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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***
![]() Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB. In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title. Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore. We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa. Now, let's talk about the offseason: LINK TO 2016-18 PAYROLL INFO COURTESY OF ROYALS REVIEW The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully). First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts. Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things. If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc. I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk. Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth? Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years. Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list). Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period. The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer. I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be: 1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160). Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura) 2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016. Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell. After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart. 3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season. 4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time. And, as always, here are the Prospects: Duncan’s Top 20 for 2016:
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Spiraling down the Drain
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Been erect since October. Should I seek medical treatment?
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well, that's what I thought, but I guess I was surprised it needed maintenance already so I thought maybe I was wrong. But I suppose it probably has been handled quite a bit.
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I presumed he meant Springer's very brief struggles in AA during his age 22 season.
I don't think that's exactly a fair comparison given that it was his first full season as a professional and while Starling proceeded to have an okay AFL, Springer absolutely detonated the league at 22. And if anybody's ready to say that Starling's set up for the kind of season that Springer had at 23....well I'll gladly take that bet. 37 bombs, 45 SBs, a .411 OBP and a strong BB rate to help off-set the relatively high K rate. Even more amazing is that the guy got better in AAA (which goes back to my position that the PCL isn't much better than the TX league to determine what you truly have in a hitter). If the Royals are extremely lucky, they'll get a player similar to Chris Young in his D-Backs days, IMO. And again, that presumes a fair amount of development that still needs to come for Bubba. And also remember that the 20-25 HR seasons that Young had in AZ are probably 15-18 HR seasons in KC. That's not without value, but A) it requires additional positive development from Starling that can't be counted on and B) it's still not as good as Lorenzo Cain.
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Seems like ur sorta beating a straw man here. Cain is elite, top 10 WAR past two years and 3rd in the MVP voting. I doubt you'll get any resistance to the idea a prospect won't match that.
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True. I was mostly speaking to the one guy that said the Royals wouldn't drop off much if they lost Cain and Moose because they have Hunter Dozier and Bubba Starling. Even in the unlikely event that both of those guys develop into plus major leaguers, they aren't going to give you the 10-12 WAR that those 2 guys are capable of giving you. You'll be lucky to get half that from them. That's pretty substantial.
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Well, shit. Was posting in foggy reference to a comparison of the two Fangraphs did this summer that compared them based on age and actually lined them up pretty closely. Disregard said point. With Starling, the HOPE would be he can be a Mike Cameron type at the high end (.260 hitter who drills 15-20 HR while stealing 25-30 bases and playing elite defense). Chris Young is also a good offensive comparison to what you can realistically hope he can at this point, though his defensive value would project higher. Overall, he still has much to prove... But has provided positive movement in that regard for the first time in several years.
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Is this the season Hosmer becomes a superstar?
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Just looking at the schedule...obviously April 3rd is going to be one of the greatest days ever, with Noah Syndergaard there to watch us get our rings and raise our flag.
But then a day off, then a game, then TWO days off before a 3-game series at the K against Minnesota. |
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I noticed they pushed the start times back as well this. 7:15 is the normal start time instead of 7:10. Make some more time slots for the tv and radio networks I assume.
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My penis is still over 9000.
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