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Old 05-04-2016, 04:56 PM  
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NFL Top 100 Players of 2016 starts tonight. Which Chiefs make it?
100-91 starts at 7pm Arrowhead time. I love this show, every year it's one of my favorites. Really gives a good insight to player opinions around the league. With all that said, who do you see making the list for us this year? Last year, we had Jamaal Charles (12), Justin Houston (27, criminally low after 22 sack season), Jeremy Maclin (61, after signing), and Tamba Hali (70).

I'll predict that this year making the player's list will be....

Charles (he'll make it, trust me)
Maclin
Kelce
Houston
Hali
DJ
Peters
Berry

That's 8 for me, which would likely be tied for the most or 2nd most in the league amongst teams...

Thus far:

Justin Houston:http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...Justin-Houston

Eric Berry: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-55-Eric-Berry

Marcus Peters: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-Marcus-Peters

Jamaal Charles: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...Jamaal-Charles

Derrick Johnson: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...errick-Johnson

Alex Smith: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-81-Alex-Smith

Tamba Hali: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-84-Tamba-Hali

Travis Kelce: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...1-Travis-Kelce

Jeremy Maclin: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-Jeremy-Maclin
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:09 AM   #256
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FTR I would take Bortles over Alex heading into this season. He's gonna be really good.

It'll be interesting to see how his career pans out, along with some of the other younger QBs out there.

Bortles seems more like Brett Favre than any QB I can remember recently. I never liked Brett Favre though.
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:10 AM   #257
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CP clearly hasn't watched Bortles and the Jags much. I don't think you guys are aware just how good Robinson and Hurns are, and how bad Bortles was for the most part in 2015.

Luck would probably have had a 45 TD season with that schedule they had and Robinson/Hurns (not to mention Julius Thomas for half the season too).
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:19 AM   #258
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CP clearly hasn't watched Bortles and the Jags much. I don't think you guys are aware just how good Robinson and Hurns are, and how bad Bortles was for the most part in 2015.

Luck would probably have had a 45 TD season with that schedule they had and Robinson/Hurns (not to mention Julius Thomas for half the season too).
If Lee can become the player he is that will be another good WR but he nothing but a 3rd or 4th WR.
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:23 AM   #259
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If Lee can become the player he is that will be another good WR but he nothing but a 3rd or 4th WR.
Yeah, but their offensive line SUCKS, like really bad. Black Bortles is where JJ Watt gets his 3 1/2 sack games all the time....
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:27 AM   #260
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CP clearly hasn't watched Bortles and the Jags much. I don't think you guys are aware just how good Robinson and Hurns are, and how bad Bortles was for the most part in 2015.

Luck would probably have had a 45 TD season with that schedule they had and Robinson/Hurns (not to mention Julius Thomas for half the season too).
The Jags put everything on Bortles. Their defense sucked, their OL gave up 50 sacks and their rushing attack was 27th with 5 TD's and 1,473 yards.

Alex had a top 10 D, an improving line (only 26 sacks given up in last 12 games of regular season) and a top 10 rushing attack that scored 4X as many TD's and almost 1 YPC more than the Jags.

You put Alex in a situation where everything is on him for a full season and he fails miserably.
Bortles needs to work on his turnovers, but there's no doubt that what he brings to the table is more valuable than what Alex does.
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:27 AM   #261
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If Lee can become the player he is that will be another good WR but he nothing but a 3rd or 4th WR.
I think Lee's one more disappointing season away from officially being a bust. Rashad Greene might take that #3 spot from him.
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:31 AM   #262
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NFLN Top 100 Players of 2016 starts tonight. Which Chiefs make it?
That team is bad.

Only 92 rushing YPG and 5 rushing TDs on the season (2 of those TDs came from Bortles himself).

28 PPG given up by the defense.

Bortles couldn't afford to play like Alex does. Even in games in which he balls out they tend to only eek wins out by 3 points or less.

Completes 70% of his passes for 303 yards with 4 TDs and 1 INTs. No fumbles. They lose 31-38.

Completes 67% of his passes for 322 yards with 5 TDs and 0 INTs. No fumbles. They lose 39-42.
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The Jags put everything on Bortles. Their defense sucked, their OL gave up 50 sacks and their rushing attack was 27th with 5 TD's and 1,473 yards.

Alex had a top 10 D, an improving line (only 26 sacks given up in last 12 games of regular season) and a top 10 rushing attack that scored 4X as many TD's and almost 1 YPC more than the Jags.

You put Alex in a situation where everything is on him for a full season and he fails miserably.
Bortles needs to work on his turnovers, but there's no doubt that what he brings to the table is more valuable than what Alex does.
What does Alex Smith have to do with Bortles? All I said was that 205 Bortles was not better than 2015 Smith. That's it. I fully expect Bortles to be better than Alex in two more years if he progresses, and I'd obviously take him long term.

As for 2016, with our division, the NFCN, and the Bengals & Ravens on their schedule I expect him to go backwards before he moves forward. That is a completely different schedule than what they had in 2015.

Also, again it wasn't all on Bortles. He has one of the leagues best WR duos along with some other solid weapons in the passing game. They made a ton of plays for him.
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So, we are just expecting one more, with Houston? Or is he not included since this is a forward-looking list and noone knew if he would be available?
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So, we are just expecting one more, with Houston? Or is he not included since this is a forward-looking list and noone knew if he would be available?
He's on it. We have 9 and only 8 have gone so far.

Should have 10 with Poe IMO, but interior DL doesn't get a lot of love in these things.
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Should have 10 with Poe IMO, but interior DL doesn't get a lot of love in these things.
Agreed.. too bad.
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He's on it. We have 9 and only 8 have gone so far.

Should have 10 with Poe IMO, but interior DL doesn't get a lot of love in these things.
They do if they are really dominant and rack up sacks and stops for losses. Poe only had 1 sack last year, that's not gonna cut it on a list like this.

It's space eaters who typically don't get the recognition.
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They do if they are really dominant and rack up sacks and stops for losses. Poe only had 1 sack last year, that's not gonna cut it on a list like this.

It's space eaters who typically don't get the recognition.
I understand why they kept him off, but I'm just saying he's a top 100 player. He will be next year. He's a better pass rusher than last years sack total indicates. He's healthy and it's a contract year. I expect him to have a career year.
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So we have the most of any team in the top 100 but only one in the top 50?
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CP clearly hasn't watched Bortles and the Jags much. I don't think you guys are aware just how good Robinson and Hurns are, and how bad Bortles was for the most part in 2015.

Luck would probably have had a 45 TD season with that schedule they had and Robinson/Hurns (not to mention Julius Thomas for half the season too).
Obviously it's not just CP that holds this opinion considering where Bortles landed on this list.
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