Quiz: how much money has Stairway to Heaven made in royalty payments?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I just went to youtube and listened to Taurus. (And by the way, did they make any money because I did that?)

No. It's one of the biggest issues in the music business today. Google refuses to pay licensing fees and royalties claiming "Safe Harbor".

It's a sham.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No. It's one of the biggest issues in the music business today. Google refuses to pay licensing fees and royalties claiming "Safe Harbor".

It's a sham.

That's kind of the only place I listen to music other than the stuff I bought on itunes.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

That's kind of the only place I listen to music other than the stuff I bought on itunes.

Yeah, there are billions of plays on YouTube each year and the artist and songwriters aren't paid a cent (or even a fraction thereof).

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, there are billions of plays on YouTube each year and the artist and songwriters aren't paid a cent (or even a fraction thereof).

It's an interesting problem, because most of the content on youtube is people who put stuff up just for the attention, and google makes ad money off of them.

Some people on youtube get paid, though, if they get enough views. I don't know how much, but they get paid. So is the problem that people are putting up music that's not theirs? I presume that I wouldn't get paid if I put up a Springsteen video that got 20 million views, but I would if I put up a video of my kitten chasing its tail. How does Google sort that out? It seems like they could figure out pretty quickly that any video of Springsteen that generates revenue in their model should get paid out to Springsteen and not "SpringsteenCrazyFan2015".

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

It's an interesting problem, because most of the content on youtube is people who put stuff up just for the attention, and google makes ad money off of them. Some people on youtube get paid, though, if they get enough views. I don't know how much, but they get paid.

Correct. From my understanding (and YouTube isn't an area of expertise but I do have some knowledge), once a video has reached 1 million views, money is paid to the person that uploaded the video. The last I heard (and this is an aggregate) is that 1 million views pays approximately $1,000 dollars before AdSense takes a 45% share.

Originally Posted by Rain Man

So is the problem that people are putting up music that's not theirs? I presume that I wouldn't get paid if I put up a Springsteen video that got 20 million views, but I would if I put up a video of my kitten chasing its tail. How does Google sort that out? It seems like they could figure out pretty quickly that any video of Springsteen that generates revenue in their model should get paid out to Springsteen and not "SpringsteenCrazyFan2015".

Yes, people are posting music in which they have no claims to ownership. Also, AdSense, YouTube's collection arm, keeps 45% of the revenue generated by the views. Payout per view can also vary from 50 cents to $5 dollars.

Google/YouTube can track which subscribers are using copyright protected music and videos and which aren't through watermarking technology. They also have a department that tracks that info so no revenues are shared in a scenario like you've described.

That's what makes them so disingenuous.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, there are billions of plays on YouTube each year and the artist and songwriters aren't paid a cent (or even a fraction thereof).

I had these scumbags lift my entire last novel and put a Youtube video offering it free. They took my artwork and insinuated it was with my blessing. After I sent them several emails and made a formal complaint for blatant Copyright infringement, they took the link down.

Music, art, writing, poetry have all been devalued and water-downed to a point where consumer's feel it should be free.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

I had these scumbags lift my entire last novel and put a Youtube video offering it free. They took my artwork and insinuated it was with my blessing. After I sent them several emails and made a formal complaint for blatant Copyright infringement, they took the link down.

Music, art, writing, poetry have all been devalued and water-downed to a point where consumer's feel it should be free.

Someone on Amazon also sells my market research reports. They pull them off our clients' websites and list them for sale. We debated reporting it, but oddly, it's kind of marketing for us. We make money off the work, so if someone reads it and contacts us, great. But it's still weird.

And you have a novel? Do tell.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Someone on Amazon also sells my market research reports. They pull them off our clients' websites and list them for sale. We debated reporting it, but oddly, it's kind of marketing for us. We make money off the work, so if someone reads it and contacts us, great. But it's still weird.

And you have a novel? Do tell.

I have published 2 novels through Createspace - an Amazon company. Here is a link to my Official Page.

http://ringohalfcan.wix.com/jeff-wilson?fb_ref=Default

I am finishing my 3rd now-down to the last two chapters. It is a murder mystery that takes place in British Columbia, centering around the Highway of Tears murders. Although I have learned a lot through Amazon, I plan on finding an agent and selling this one through a traditional publisher.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

I have published 2 novels through Createspace - an Amazon company. Here is a link to my Official Page.

http://ringohalfcan.wix.com/jeff-wilson?fb_ref=Default

I am finishing my 3rd now-down to the last two chapters. It is a murder mystery that takes place in British Columbia, centering around the Highway of Tears murders. Although I have learned a lot through Amazon, I plan on finding an agent and selling this one through a traditional publisher.

That's really cool! I hope you do well with them.

(I really need to get a Kindle, too.)