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Old 08-15-2016, 07:11 PM  
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Mathews, Harrison and Peppers facing suspension
If they don't have interviews about their PED usage in the report before 25 August.

Damn son!

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Old 08-16-2016, 10:43 AM   #46
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The fact that a bunch of millionaire have a union is a ****ing joke to begin with.

Teachers need unions
factory workers need unions

Pro athletes need diapers these days.
You dont think the owners would be exploiting them with out their union...yeah right. Their salaries would be much lower..while the NFL is still raking in billions. They would have 20 game seasons if they could...

Worker exploitation happens on all levels.....
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Old 08-16-2016, 10:46 AM   #47
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You dont think the owners would be exploiting them with out their union...yeah right. They would have 20 game seasons if they could...
The limited job pool is the only reason to have a Union.

They are still a bunch of panzy bitches. If they every had to hold a real job they would understand that.
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The limited job pool is the only reason to have a Union.

They are still a bunch of panzy bitches. If they every had to hold a real job they would understand that.
If you were the most vital part of a company's success... making 9 billion annually....wouldn't you expect to be compensated in proportion to your contributions?

You would...dont lie.
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Old 08-16-2016, 11:23 AM   #49
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So here's the rub, in a nutshell. Here is when the CBA provides for when the NFL can discipline players for PED abuse.




Pretty specific no?

But now, the NFL basically says "or any time you won't talk to us when we want to talk to you about ANY allegation ANYONE has made that you used drugs. Article 46 bitches. EAT IT."

And you wonder why the NFLPA has trust issues. Never mind the tens of millions fo dollars the NFL tried to steal by denying the NFLPA their cut under the CBA.

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Old 08-16-2016, 11:26 AM   #50
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The Brady homer has blown this up into some long debate about the CBA.

It's not real complicated. The CEO wants to speak to his employees about an issue concerning a report that mentioned them. The subject of the report does not matter. Any report that is deemed detrimental according to Goodell is all it takes for him to be involved. He has that power like it or not. The NFLPA will be there and he is the boss so what is the problem? It's a conversation only.

In what world do employees tell the boss "No, I'm not going to talk to you".
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Old 08-16-2016, 12:05 PM   #51
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The Brady homer has blown this up into some long debate about the CBA.

It's not real complicated. The CEO wants to speak to his employees about an issue concerning a report that mentioned them. The subject of the report does not matter. Any report that is deemed detrimental according to Goodell is all it takes for him to be involved. He has that power like it or not. The NFLPA will be there and he is the boss so what is the problem? It's a conversation only.

In what world do employees tell the boss "No, I'm not going to talk to you".

A world governed by a contract that covers, in precise detail, how PED-related matters are handled.

You don't understand unions. You don't understand collectively bargained for RIGHTS.

And when the NFL players go on strike (or are locked out) after 2020, you will cry and say you don't understand that either, just get back to work you overpaid whiners.


Sigh.

Let me slow down and explain -- a COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT is a contract between an employer and a workforce. It governs many aspects of the employer-employee relationship, and CHANGES THE BASIC, FUNDAMENTAL RULES WHICH ORDINARILY APPLY. That is the entire purpose of a union, and a CBA.

You guys then say "no employee would do this?!?" Well, yeah, they don't have a CBA, so they are (in the United States at least), employees at will. They can be hired and fired for any reason or no reason, so long as it is not a discriminatory reason.

The CBA changes that basic fact. And it covers FAR more than compensation. In fact, it covers pretty much every aspect of the employment relationship.

So ANY argument you make about "a regular employee can't do this" is completely invalid becuase the players AND THE TEAMS, THROUGH THE NFL agreed to a lengthy, complicated contract that governs the terms of their employee/employer relationship.
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Old 08-16-2016, 12:11 PM   #52
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The NFL's CBA is 254 pages long, or 300 pages including exhibits. The current version is the product of many neogtiations over many years, and MANY millions of dollars of legal fees paid.

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com...-2011-2020.pdf


But some ****ing geniuses on here think that despite all this, NFL players can and should be handled the same way as, and have no more rights than, a ****ing barber shop employee.
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You can't separate gambling and PEDs for how they impact performance?
The golden boy syndrome is what I am referring to. Untouchable when your reputation gets to that stratosphere.
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I do note, however, that due to the Brady and Peterson rulings, the NFL probably can suspend the players. Article 46 apparently, trumps all.

Which is why there will be a strike/lockout. The extent to which Article 46 can be abused has no practical limits, and there is no reason the NFLPA can or should accept that.
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So here's the rub, in a nutshell. Here is when the CBA provides for when the NFL can discipline players for PED abuse.




Pretty specific no?

But now, the NFL basically says "or any time you won't talk to us when we want to talk to you about ANY allegation ANYONE has made that you used drugs. Article 46 bitches. EAT IT."

And you wonder why the NFLPA has trust issues. Never mind the tens of millions fo dollars the NFL tried to steal by denying the NFLPA their cut under the CBA.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...o-salary-pool/
As you see below and like I said before Roger gets to decide what is detrimental to the game. It's his opinion that he needs to have a conversation with them and he has the power to do so. Note the "Public Confidence" reference. "Note the Stimulants or other drugs for the purpose of attempting to enhance on-field performance"

This is the paragraph that gives him everything. Does it suck? For the players it does for sure but this is what the owners all fought for so bashing him for doing what they want him to do is not really fair.

15. INTEGRITY OF GAME. Player recognizes the detriment to the League and professional football that would result from impairment of public confidence in the honest and orderly conduct of NFL games or the integrity and good character of NFL players. Player therefore acknowledges his awareness that if he accepts a bribe or agrees to throw or fix an NFL game; fails to promptly report a bribe offer or an attempt to throw or fix an NFL game; bets on an NFL game; knowingly associates with gamblers or gambling activity; uses or provides other players with stimulants or other drugs for the purpose of attempting to enhance on-field performance; or is guilty of any other form of conduct reasonably judged by the League Commissioner to be detrimental to the League or professional football, the Commissioner will have the right, but only after giving Player the opportunity for a hearing at which he may be represented by counsel of his choice, to
262 fine Player in a reasonable amount; to suspend Player for a period certain or indefinitely; and/or to terminate this contract.
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When did the NFL clear Manning? I just remember a bunch of dumbasses bitching about the source.
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As you see below and like I said before Roger gets to decide what is detrimental to the game. It's his opinion that he needs to have a conversation with them and he has the power to do so. Note the "Public Confidence" reference. "Note the Stimulants or other drugs for the purpose of attempting to enhance on-field performance"

This is the paragraph that gives him everything. Does it suck? For the players it does for sure but this is what the owners all fought for so bashing him for doing what they want him to do is not really fair.

Yes, as I stated above he probably does have the authority to suspend for conduct detrimental, based on the recent rulings. The question is whether one provision trumps literally everything else in the agreement. The answer seems to be "yes".

"bashing him for doing what they want him to do"? No, it's bashing him for what he does. The owners fought to give him plenty of power and authority, but is he using it wisely and fairly? I think many would argue that he is not. He's using it like a hammer when he could use it like a knife.

And for that reason if no other, (1) NFL/NFLPA relations are at/near an all-time low, and (2) I'd be shocked if there wasn't an extended and bitter strike/lockout after 2020, and I'll be on the players side for perhaps the first time in my life. The NFLPA must get an independent arbitrator to rule on this things, because they absolutely cannot trust Herr Kommissar to run a fair process.
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Yes, as I stated above he probably does have the authority to suspend for conduct detrimental, based on the recent rulings. The question is whether one provision trumps literally everything else in the agreement. The answer seems to be "yes".

"bashing him for doing what they want him to do"? No, it's bashing him for what he does. The owners fought to give him plenty of power and authority, but is he using it wisely and fairly? I think many would argue that he is not. He's using it like a hammer when he could use it like a knife.

And for that reason if no other, (1) NFL/NFLPA relations are at/near an all-time low, and (2) I'd be shocked if there wasn't an extended and bitter strike/lockout after 2020, and I'll be on the players side for perhaps the first time in my life. The NFLPA must get an independent arbitrator to rule on this things, because they absolutely cannot trust Herr Kommissar to run a fair process.
The commish reports to the owners. If they wanted him to act differently then he would. He is acting the way they want him to act.
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The commish reports to the owners. If they wanted him to act differently then he would. He is acting the way they want him to act.

You think those 32 guys agree on everything?
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