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Old 09-29-2016, 07:04 AM  
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I really like our corners right now.
I realize I'm probably going to regret saying this as Big Ben can legitimately carve up even elite secondaries, but two guys have me super impressed, aside from the usual amazing Marcus Peters:

Phillip Gaines. He's got some technique to clean up on, but he's started this season against Hopkins/Fuller and Marshall/Decker (we'll ignore the Chargers, since Keenan Allen was beating the shit out of Peters Week 1) and held his own. These WRs are more savvy than him right now but I'm getting flashbacks to when we started Brandon Carr for his rookie year -- he'll only get better as he gets more experience. His recovery speed is awesome, and he's almost always in the receiver's pocket.

Steven Nelson. What a shock to the system this guy has been -- the staff has handled him absolutely perfectly. Redshirting him last year was just the perfect thing to do, because his versatility in the secondary this year is invaluable. He's playing 100% of the snaps because we can put him on the outside and in the slot, shifting him all over the place on every drive. While, for now, we also play him a lot on special teams. Nelson has challenged everything, and seems to have the superior technique over Gaines. Nelson is also incredibly demonstrative and energetic on the field -- a perfect pairing with Peters, and that is turning out to be a 3rd rounder well spent.

DJ White, also. We have to talk about this kid. He's played like 12 defensive snaps for us so far this year and has made plays on roughly half of them. Like Nelson, he is an incredible competitor and so energetic on the field. His play against the Chargers (on his one snap!) was around the time the defense woke up. I love this kid, I think he's a pistol and he should definitely be in the rotation in dime packages over Sorensen.

The Russell thing still makes no sense to me, but it's really regretful that he didn't wake the **** up because having yet another young corner who can play would have really bulked up this secondary.

My favorite thing about this secondary is my favorite thing about our offensive line, our defensive line, our receivers, and our passrush: barring any tragic injuries, they're going to be so much better in Week 17 than they are now. They'll learn with our great coaching staff, they'll develop with playing time, and they'll gel better as a unit and as Sutton figures out where all the pieces fit.

If we can at least limp into the playoffs with a fully healthy Houston in January, we can hang with absolutely AFC team -- except perhaps the Pats, who seem to have successfully hacked the game of football.

That's our ceiling, though. Pretty exciting.
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Old 09-29-2016, 03:52 PM   #121
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Speaking of PFF, this was pretty cool.


27. Chiefs CB Steven Nelson has surrendered just 0.27 yards per coverage snap in the slot, the lowest for slot cornerbacks this season.

Nelson already has 102 coverage snaps in the slot this year, and in that time, he’s been thrown at 13 times. He’s only allowed four of those passes to be caught for 28 yards. For his first year as the Chiefs’ slot cornerback, that’s very impressive. The Steelers have been using receiver Eli Rogers in the slot. Rogers hasn’t been very effective this season, so that is one less receiving option Ben Roethlisberger can likely depend on.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...or-nfl-week-4/
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Old 09-29-2016, 03:53 PM   #122
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All I do every weekend brah.
Then you'd already be aware of Smith's struggles in man coverage with fast/quick WR's going back to the preseason. This is not an issue with Gaines, and he's MUCH cheaper.
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Old 09-29-2016, 03:53 PM   #123
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Sean Smith was a 6-3, 220lb corner that didn't lack physicality. No, he wasn't a great tackler but he was an adequate tackler that got the job done when a play presented itself.

Apparently asking Gaines to be adequate is asking too much.
Eh, he was physical enough. He was just so damn big and long.

Wish we could have kept him.
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Old 09-29-2016, 03:54 PM   #124
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You're blowing his tackling out of proportion, Detox

Gaines has more tackles than

Pittsburghs William Gay
Giants Janoris Jenkins
Oaklands David Amerson
Denvers TJ Ward
Jets Darrelle Revis
Vikings Captain Munnerlyn

And many many others...

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/st...-tackles/2016/
This isn't possible. I'm almost certain this guy has never tackled somebody in his life by the way Detoxing is talking about him.
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Old 09-29-2016, 03:55 PM   #125
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If we want to break down Philip "givin' up" Gains by category...

Overall: 90th
Pass defense: 90th
Run defense: 81st

So apparently his pass defense makes his run defense looks good....
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Old 09-29-2016, 03:57 PM   #126
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Yea looking at the stats (NFL.com), Gaines has 16 tackles. There's no way he's missed even close to that many.

Just further proof how ****ing ridiculous this argument is.

You're officially a ****ing moron Detoxing.
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Old 09-29-2016, 03:57 PM   #127
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If we want to break down Philip "givin' up" Gains by category...

Overall: 90th
Pass defense: 90th
Run defense: 81st

So apparently his pass defense makes his run defense looks good....
Further proof that PFF is useless.
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Old 09-29-2016, 03:59 PM   #128
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Eh, he was physical enough. He was just so damn big and long.

Wish we could have kept him.
Lol what?

He's ****ing done in a couple more years and we have younger, cheaper, and more athletic options at the position now.

I mean, I gues I wish we could've kept him around on Gaines's contract, but that's just silly.
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Old 09-29-2016, 04:08 PM   #129
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Lol what?

He's ****ing done in a couple more years and we have younger, cheaper, and more athletic options at the position now.

I mean, I gues I wish we could've kept him around on Gaines's contract, but that's just silly.
He may be done in 2 or 3 years, but I'd have liked to have kept him for a year or two. He was a nice fit here.
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Old 09-29-2016, 04:13 PM   #130
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He may be done in 2 or 3 years, but I'd have liked to have kept him for a year or two. He was a nice fit here.
Yea, but at what cost? Nothing close to what Oakland signed him for after seeing Gaines, Nelson, and White.

Keep in mind, without the elite pass rush, Smith would be getting burnt deep early and often.
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Old 09-29-2016, 04:15 PM   #131
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You're blowing his tackling out of proportion, Detox

Gaines has more tackles than

Pittsburghs William Gay
Giants Janoris Jenkins
Oaklands David Amerson
Denvers TJ Ward
Jets Darrelle Revis
Vikings Captain Munnerlyn

And many many others...

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/st...-tackles/2016/
Useless stat. What does that mean exactly? DB's aren't suppose to be high on tackles, that generally means they're letting guys get open. Are you saying Revis isn't letting guys open as often as Gaines?
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Yea, but at what cost?
Dunno.

Luckily, our young DB"s haven't been an issue. If we could just rush the passer, we'd be legit badasses.
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This isn't possible. I'm almost certain this guy has never tackled somebody in his life by the way Detoxing is talking about him.
Oh...NOW YOU LIKE STATS?



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Old 09-29-2016, 04:16 PM   #134
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Useless stat. What does that mean exactly? DB's aren't suppose to be high on tackles, that generally means they're letting guys get open. Are you saying Revis isn't letting guys open as often as Gaines?
Maybe it means he's good in run support and you don't know your ass from you elbow?

staylor told me that so I'm not sure.

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