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Old 09-29-2016, 07:04 AM  
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I really like our corners right now.
I realize I'm probably going to regret saying this as Big Ben can legitimately carve up even elite secondaries, but two guys have me super impressed, aside from the usual amazing Marcus Peters:

Phillip Gaines. He's got some technique to clean up on, but he's started this season against Hopkins/Fuller and Marshall/Decker (we'll ignore the Chargers, since Keenan Allen was beating the shit out of Peters Week 1) and held his own. These WRs are more savvy than him right now but I'm getting flashbacks to when we started Brandon Carr for his rookie year -- he'll only get better as he gets more experience. His recovery speed is awesome, and he's almost always in the receiver's pocket.

Steven Nelson. What a shock to the system this guy has been -- the staff has handled him absolutely perfectly. Redshirting him last year was just the perfect thing to do, because his versatility in the secondary this year is invaluable. He's playing 100% of the snaps because we can put him on the outside and in the slot, shifting him all over the place on every drive. While, for now, we also play him a lot on special teams. Nelson has challenged everything, and seems to have the superior technique over Gaines. Nelson is also incredibly demonstrative and energetic on the field -- a perfect pairing with Peters, and that is turning out to be a 3rd rounder well spent.

DJ White, also. We have to talk about this kid. He's played like 12 defensive snaps for us so far this year and has made plays on roughly half of them. Like Nelson, he is an incredible competitor and so energetic on the field. His play against the Chargers (on his one snap!) was around the time the defense woke up. I love this kid, I think he's a pistol and he should definitely be in the rotation in dime packages over Sorensen.

The Russell thing still makes no sense to me, but it's really regretful that he didn't wake the **** up because having yet another young corner who can play would have really bulked up this secondary.

My favorite thing about this secondary is my favorite thing about our offensive line, our defensive line, our receivers, and our passrush: barring any tragic injuries, they're going to be so much better in Week 17 than they are now. They'll learn with our great coaching staff, they'll develop with playing time, and they'll gel better as a unit and as Sutton figures out where all the pieces fit.

If we can at least limp into the playoffs with a fully healthy Houston in January, we can hang with absolutely AFC team -- except perhaps the Pats, who seem to have successfully hacked the game of football.

That's our ceiling, though. Pretty exciting.
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Old 09-29-2016, 05:26 PM   #181
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Tackling is obviously important. I'm not arguing it's not. But it's not up there at the top of things a corner HAS to excel at.
We're doing this circular argument thing again. I didn't say he has to excel at it. I said he has to be competent at it, which you already agreed with me that Gaines has been shaky at best.
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Old 09-29-2016, 05:29 PM   #182
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A single play is too tough to determine a tacklers ability though. Had dj or houston or berry missed that tackle there, it doesn't diminish them as a tackler. Over the long haul of a season, we know they can tackle.

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Maybe it was a singular event (costing the team a shot at a win), but his arm tackle attempts is a pattern thus far.

I never said he can't correct it, nor have i written him off. I said he needs to improve on it.

Unlike Gaines, DJ, Houston and Berry have made a career out of being All-Pro worthy defenders. We KNOW those guys can lay the wood. Them missing tackles is not a concern of mine, as i know more often than not they're nails.

I don't care about guys missing tackles here and there. I care when it looks like it's a developing pattern. Which is what we have in Gaines at the moment.
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Old 09-29-2016, 05:32 PM   #183
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Maybe it was a singular event (costing the team a shot at a win), but his arm tackle attempts is a pattern thus far.

I never said he can't correct it, nor have i written him off. I said he needs to improve on it.

Unlike Gaines, DJ, Houston and Berry have made a career out of being All-Pro worthy defenders. We KNOW those guys can lay the wood. Them missing tackles is not a concern of mine, as i know more often than not they're nails.

I don't care about guys missing tackles here and there. I care when it looks like it's a developing pattern. Which is what we have in Gaines at the moment.
Sure, he needs to improve on it.

But even if he doesn't, he can still be a valuable piece here because of his coverage ability.

Moving on.

Also, hard to really go with "cost the team a chance at a win". Theres so many missed plays in a game it's tough to fault something like that too hard. Maybe I'm wrong here, but it's the same as a kicker missing a kick at the buzzer. Yeah, you lost because he missed, but there were like 10 plays during the game that would have changed the game.
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Old 09-29-2016, 05:38 PM   #184
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Watching the game live you can follow players a lot better. Gaines looked atrocious to me, he had a few plays where he doesn't look back and got burnt. Maybe I'm missing something.
Pretty sure your missing a brain stem .
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Old 09-29-2016, 05:45 PM   #185
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Sure, he needs to improve on it.

But even if he doesn't, he can still be a valuable piece here because of his coverage ability.

Moving on.

Also, hard to really go with "cost the team a chance at a win". Theres so many missed plays in a game it's tough to fault something like that too hard. Maybe I'm wrong here, but it's the same as a kicker missing a kick at the buzzer. Yeah, you lost because he missed, but there were like 10 plays during the game that would have changed the game.
You can do it with just about any blatant negative play in a close game. Alex and Ware's fumble, the drop by Harris, Peters getting beat for 6, etc.
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Old 09-29-2016, 05:47 PM   #186
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You can do it with just about any negative play in a close game. Alex and Ware's fumble, the drop by Harris, Peters getting beat for 6, etc.
Yeah, and thats not me defending Gaines there at all.

Just in general, I always hate that. Same as when a QB plays a great 4th quarter to come back to win after playing meh for the first 3 or when he has a bad final drive but went for 4 TD's already.
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Old 09-29-2016, 06:05 PM   #187
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I don't know many if any plays this year where I've cursed Nelson's name. And I knew he was in a bunch of plays but 100% of snaps??...wow. Good for him
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Old 09-29-2016, 06:19 PM   #188
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Yep, Nelson has showed. Looks to be a gamer. And Gaines is going to be a great corner if he stays healthy. Next year we need to nail a couple of pass rushers in the draft and we're set.
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Old 09-30-2016, 12:15 PM   #189
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Even media members think Gaines sucks.

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▪ Phil Gaines had a bad day against the Jets. He was beat in man coverage a few different times, including two pass interference penalties where he just never turned around to find the ball. A deep ball to Brandon Marshall was underthrown, or it could’ve been a bigger gain. Once, Ryan Anderson beat Gaines in press coverage with a simple juke to the inside. Gaines did have nice coverage on Marshall in the end zone, on a fade route, but those plays always suck and deserve to never score.
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"Had a bad day"= sucks now?

Ok, got it.
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"Had a bad day"= sucks now?

Ok, got it.
most of his games look like this given his PFF rating
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most of his games look like this given his PFF rating
Shove your PFF bullshit up your gaping asshole.
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most of his games look like this given his PFF rating
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You act like that's some kind of insult. I think it's a compliment personally. I wish I was the board's biggest homer. You think KnowMo gives a **** about anything when he reads up and watches football? No. He's convinced the Broncos are the best team on Earth and they're not. **** their Super Bowl. They're lucky as ****, but you couldn't convince him. I used too be that way. Wish I still was.
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