Should we take Foles' $10 mill option this offseason?

[Saccopoo]

As an NFL starter, Nick Foles is not better than Alex Smith. (And Smith is a very good NFL starting level QB.) Nick Foles is perfect for this team in the role he is currently serving in.

The question is as posed in the OP - is he better than Tyler Bray in the #2 role for the 2017 season? That will probably be ruminated for the rest of the season by Dorsey and the coaching staff and equate it to the dollars required to keep him in that role and what it costs to keep Bray in the #3 position or finally move him up to the #2 (if they deem him capable of filling that role).

I personally feel that the Chiefs had serious interest in drafting Paxton Lynch in the 2016 Draft to groom for a potential QBOTF for the team. And they need to look at the 2017 QB class to seriously evaluate the position. Smith will be 33 years old when the '17 season begins, and while he hasn't shown any signs of degradation in his game, it's simply a numbers game once an NFL player hits their mid 30's.

His current contract runs through the 2018 season. Depending upon his health and Smith's own personal outlook towards the future, I could see the team giving him a two or three year deal going into the 2019 season.

However, consideringing his age and contract, I would expect the Chiefs to very seriously look at this next year's crop of QB's for a QBOTF.

Nick Foles is 27. Tyler Bray is 24. Do the Chiefs consider either to be the long term solution to the QBOTF question?

Reid's offensive system is complex and it is predicated on accuracy and timing. He also likes a somewhat mobile QB that provides a scramble/run option element to the offense. I'm not sure that either Foles or Bray gives that at a full time starter level.

Personally, I think that they were surprised that Kevin Hogan was snatched off the practice squad as they viewed him as someone that was worth considering as a potential QBOTF from a development perspective. I think that they roll the dice again, and might even move up for a guy they like as they do have quite a number of picks in the 2017 draft, which is the first draft that will allow compensatory draft picks to be traded.

However, back to the OP - no, I don't think that they resign Nick Foles for $10 million per. I think that Bray and he are very similiar type of QB's and Bray will most likely move into the #2 spot for the 2017 season. Foles was signed because Daniel signed with Philadelphia. He knew the system and it was an easy plug in for the #2 spot going into the beginning of the season. Bray will be that guy in 2017 and they will draft a potential QBOTF in the '17 Draft, which is not a great QB class, so they will really have to fall in love with a guy . They will probably even look at bringing back Hogan or even possibly Murray for insurance purposes.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

As an NFL starter, Nick Foles is not better than Alex Smith. (And Smith is a very good NFL starting level QB.) Nick Foles is perfect for this team in the role he is currently serving in.

The question is as posed in the OP - is he better than Tyler Bray in the #2 role for the 2017 season? That will probably be ruminated for the rest of the season by Dorsey and the coaching staff and equate it to the dollars required to keep him in that role and what it costs to keep Bray in the #3 position or finally move him up to the #2 (if they deem him capable of filling that role).

I personally feel that the Chiefs had serious interest in drafting Paxton Lynch in the 2016 Draft to groom for a potential QBOTF for the team. And they need to look at the 2017 QB class to seriously evaluate the position. Smith will be 33 years old when the '17 season begins, and while he hasn't shown any signs of degradation in his game, it's simply a numbers game once an NFL player hits their mid 30's.

His current contract runs through the 2018 season. Depending upon his health and Smith's own personal outlook towards the future, I could see the team giving him a two or three year deal going into the 2019 season.

However, consideringing his age and contract, I would expect the Chiefs to very seriously look at this next year's crop of QB's for a QBOTF.

Nick Foles is 27. Tyler Bray is 24. Do the Chiefs consider either to be the long term solution to the QBOTF question?

Reid's offensive system is complex and it is predicated on accuracy and timing. He also likes a somewhat mobile QB that provides a scramble/run option element to the offense. I'm not sure that either Foles or Bray gives that at a full time starter level.

Personally, I think that they were surprised that Kevin Hogan was snatched off the practice squad as they viewed him as someone that was worth considering as a potential QBOTF from a development perspective. I think that they roll the dice again, and might even move up for a guy they like as they do have quite a number of picks in the 2017 draft, which is the first draft that will allow compensatory draft picks to be traded.

However, back to the OP - no, I don't think that they resign Nick Foles for $10 million per. I think that Bray and he are very similiar type of QB's and Bray will most likely move into the #2 spot for the 2017 season. Foles was signed because Daniel signed with Philadelphia. He knew the system and it was an easy plug in for the #2 spot going into the beginning of the season. Bray will be that guy in 2017 and they will draft a potential QBOTF in the '17 Draft, which is not a great QB class, so they will really have to fall in love with a guy . They will probably even look at bringing back Hogan or even possibly Murray for insurance purposes.

Hogan plays for the browns

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Hogan plays for the browns

I know, but they seem to be focusing on Kessler right now. (Despite a pretty productive outing from Hogan last week (or was it the week before). I can see him being available at the end of the summer unless the Browns offer him a longer deal to stick around as a backup to Kessler or whatever else they decide to go with. I like his game in terms of matching Reid's offense.

I just don't see a whole lot of options in the 2017 Draft at the QB position. Kizer (Notre Dame), Trubisky (North Carolina), but that's about it. Not much to get excited about at the position in the upcoming draft. Might have to wait it out until the 2018 Draft.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

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I just don't see a whole lot of options in the 2017 Draft at the QB position. Kizer (Notre Dame), Trubisky (North Carolina), but that's about it. Not much to get excited about at the position in the upcoming draft. Might have to wait it out until the 2018 Draft.

Classic paragraph. Can't think of a year gone by that chiefs fan didn't drip this jewel ...

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Classic paragraph. Can't think of a year gone by that chiefs fan didn't drip this jewel ...

I can't think of year that Chiefs fans didn't say the classic "Maybe there will be one next year".

Don't know until you try. Having rejects from other teams hasn't worked.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

I can't think of year that Chiefs fans didn't say the classic "Maybe there will be one next year".

Don't know until you try. Having rejects from other teams hasn't worked.

Yeah, the Chiefs would have been so much better off had they not traded for Alex Smith and drafted Geno Smith #1 overall.



You're dumb as ****.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, the Chiefs would have been so much better off had they not traded for Alex Smith and drafted Geno Smith #1 overall.



You're dumb as ****.

That's not what I meant dip shit. What part of that was directed at passing on crappy Geno. We passed on Carr, Wilson and countless other good QB's over the years in favor of another teams reject.

Think before you type moron.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

I can't think of year that Chiefs fans didn't say the classic "Maybe there will be one next year".

Don't know until you try. Having rejects from other teams hasn't worked.

How many Super Bowls has Andrew Luck won so far?

How about Jimmy Clausen? (A fan favorite here at Chiefs Planet.)

You do realize that since Dorsey has been GM, they've signed and drafted a quarterback every single season/off season?

They've tried plenty.

Brought in Smith. Brought in Daniel. Brought in Foles.

Bray - signed as a rookie free agent.
Murray - drafted as a rookie.
Hogan - drafted as a rookie.

I'm really sorry that Alex Smith, who's been one of the most successful QB's in the league since joining the Chiefs has led the team that you might root for to three consecutive winning seasons, two playoff appearances and a playoff win. Must be a real bummer for you every Sunday to root for a winning team. Must really stick in your craw as you are one of the piss and moan malcontents that keep rehashing the same mantra over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ad nauseum with little to say other than crying about "why can't we ever draft our own Hall of Fame Super Bowl winning QB?! (Because, you know, all the rest of the teams have three of them on their rosters.

Who do you like in the upcoming draft at the position? Who do you think that they should draft? Who best fits Dorsey's parameters and Reid's offensive scheme that will be available in the 2017 Draft? Are you going to send letters to Dorsey advocating that they select your boy? Are you going to call the scout team and tell them to really start looking at your boy?

What are you going to do that's proactive in helping the team select your future Hall of Fame, multiple Super Bowl winning QBOTF?

Or are you just going to sit around and piss and moan that they aren't doing enough to meet your expectations?

[jjchieffan]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

How many Super Bowls has Andrew Luck won so far?

How about Jimmy Clausen? (A fan favorite here at Chiefs Planet.)

You do realize that since Dorsey has been GM, they've signed and drafted a quarterback every single season/off season?

They've tried plenty.

Brought in Smith. Brought in Daniel. Brought in Foles.

Bray - signed as a rookie free agent.
Murray - drafted as a rookie.
Hogan - drafted as a rookie.

I'm really sorry that Alex Smith, who's been one of the most successful QB's in the league since joining the Chiefs has led the team that you might root for to three consecutive winning seasons, two playoff appearances and a playoff win. Must be a real bummer for you every Sunday to root for a winning team. Must really stick in your craw as you are one of the piss and moan malcontents that keep rehashing the same mantra over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ad nauseum with little to say other than crying about "why can't we ever draft our own Hall of Fame Super Bowl winning QB?! (Because, you know, all the rest of the teams have three of them on their rosters.

Who do you like in the upcoming draft at the position? Who do you think that they should draft? Who best fits Dorsey's parameters and Reid's offensive scheme that will be available in the 2017 Draft? Are you going to send letters to Dorsey advocating that they select your boy? Are you going to call the scout team and tell them to really start looking at your boy?

What are you going to do that's proactive in helping the team select your future Hall of Fame, multiple Super Bowl winning QBOTF?

Or are you just going to sit around and piss and moan that they aren't doing enough to meet your expectations?

Great post Sacc. Too bad it wasted wasted trying to talk sensible with a drooling idiot. It would be nice to see him respond with something substantive, but I just don't think he has the mental capacity for it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Classic paragraph. Can't think of a year gone by that chiefs fan didn't drip this jewel ...

The Chiefs will likely need to give up at least two first round picks, a pair of seconds and probably a third to jump up into the Top Two. That's a lot of draft capital for a player that may or may not fit Reid's scheme.

I liked Chad Kelly (Jim Kelly's nephew) as maybe a 4th or 5th round developmental guy but he tore his ACL and won't be able to participate in the All Star games after the college season is completed. He's probably a 7th rounder/UDFA next year.

This QB draft class is pretty shaky this year. No one knows if Trubisky will declare, Brad Kayaa's has been decent but he's a twig (6'4, 215) and probably needs another year of college as well.

I'm good giving up a shit ton of picks if they can get the "right" guy but I'm not so sure that guy exists this year.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Classic paragraph. Can't think of a year gone by that chiefs fan didn't drip this jewel ...

I'd be happy to see your evaluation of the position for the 2017 Draft.