Bucs abused the defense...

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Pretty sure "just the defense" wasn't what was intimated.

No it wasn't.

The argument is that Alex Smith bares his share of responsibility, and there are some that refuse to accept that.

Everyone bares responsibilty.

Andy Reid, Bob Sutton, Alex Smith and the offense, and the defense contributed to this losing effort.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by milkman

No it wasn't.

The argument is that Alex Smith bares his share of responsibility, and there are some that refuse to accept that.

Everyone bares responsibilty.

Andy Reid, Bob Sutton, Alex Smith and the offense, and the defense contributed to this losing effort.

I accept that. But I still think the D was far worse than Smith today.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by splatbass

I accept that. But I still think the D was far worse than Smith today.

I would agree.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by splatbass

I accept that. But I still think the D was far worse than Smith today.

But they weren't - they gave up less than 20 pts.

Alex threw a red zone pick in the fourth qtr that was essentially a 14 point swing - at the LEAST, Santos gets 3.

20 points is all it took to beat the Bucs at home, and all Alex has to do is NOT turn the ball over. That's all. Even as bad as the defense was today, even though Penis Winston threw for 300 yards...they still gave the offense a chance to win.

This is the worst this defense will play all year, hobbled as they were...

All it would've taken was 20 points...and the offense couldn't even manage that's

At home.

Pathetic.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

But they weren't - they gave up less than 20 pts.

Alex threw a red zone pick in the fourth qtr that was essentially a 14 point swing - at the LEAST, Santos gets 3.

20 points is all it took to beat the Bucs at home, and all Alex has to do is NOT turn the ball over. That's all. Even as bad as the defense was today, even though Penis Winston threw for 300 yards...they still gave the offense a chance to win.

This is the worst this defense will play all year, hobbled as they were...

All it would've taken was 20 points...and the offense couldn't even manage that's

At home.

Pathetic.

The defense also kept the Bucs offense on the field way too long, giving our offense less chances to score. 11 minutes difference in TOP. It is more than just about the score. You need to D to force more than 2 punts in a game. You need them to get the ball back for your offense. The D was worse.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by splatbass

The defense also kept the Bucs offense on the field way too long, giving our offense less chances to score. 11 minutes difference in TOP. It is more than just about the score. You need to D to force more than 2 punts in a game. You need them to get the ball back for your offense. The D was worse.

Sucks when the refs don't call blatant holding calls, eh?

It can directly affect the outcome of the game.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Sucks when the refs don't call blatant holding calls, eh?

It can directly affect the outcome of the game.

The bottom line is the defense has to give your offense opportunities to score. If you let the opposing offense take long drive after long drive eating up the clock you give your offense fewer drives, and fewer opportunities.

[chiefzilla1501]

What the ****?

We were without both Allen Bailey and Jaye Howard
We were without a CB who's up for DPOY
We played the second half without Dee Ford
Houston wasn't even close to 100%

That's 5 starters. What the **** did anyone expect to happen? The defense wasn't great today. But they shouldn't have to carry the offense every. single game. And the offense duffed too many opportunities against a bad defense. By the way... much as I wish Alex could rise above because that's what good QBs do, in fairness we had several drives killed by horrendous playcalling and completely shitty short yardage plays today.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by milkman

No it wasn't.

The argument is that Alex Smith bares his share of responsibility, and there are some that refuse to accept that.

Everyone bares responsibilty.

Andy Reid, Bob Sutton, Alex Smith and the offense, and the defense contributed to this losing effort.

If I had to rank the blame for this game it would be as follows:

1. Poor tackling-Players
2. Shit defensive plan-Coaching
3. Shit defensive calls-Coaching
4. Shit offensive calls in the red zone-Coaching
5. Dropped pass-Players (Kelce)
6. Bad INT- Players (Smith)
7. TO at end of 1st half-Coaching

Some people are crying about what we did in the last 8 seconds and that's just ****ing dumb. We had no shot at anything. No QB would have. That's where this board loses touch with reality sometimes. No one is scoring anything in 8 secs from their own 30 and no TO's.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Some people are crying about what we did in the last 8 seconds and that's just ****ing dumb. We had no shot at anything. No QB would have. That's where this board loses touch with reality sometimes. No one is scoring anything in 8 secs from their own 30 and no TO's.

If you throw it deep you at least have a chance at a pass interference call that would put you in field goal range. More of a chance than the play Reid chose.