Charles Davis: Chiefs shouldn't move on from Smith unless they have his replacement

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I don't think that most Chiefs fans are willing to give up the prospect of these 10-12 win seasons, even if there isn't a realistic chance at winning anything of consequence.

This is the same argument that has happened on this site for a decade: it's the tug-of-war between people that see wild card flameouts as empty and those that view the pantomime of competitiveness as something not to be trifled with.

Approach the question from the perspective of a bureaucrat: would you rather have a job with extremely high pay and security in perpetuity with little risk, even if you don't achieve goals that will have you recognized at the top of your field, or would you risk losing said job with high salary, if your key evaluation turns out incorrectly?

Alex Smith is a "don't rock the boat, kiss the boss's ass, and hope for the best," pick. It can work, rarely, but it's the kind of chickenshit move made by management the world over. And it's the right move, not because he actually gives you a chance to win anything of consequence, but because most fans are happy enough with 10-6, and are too impatient to undergo a rebuild with both down years and a risk of failure.

Me? Beating Brian Hoyer for your playoff scalp is just as meaningless as 3-13. But I'm not the person tying my identity to Red Friday, treating Arrowhead as a bottomless kegger, and fighting people in the stands over the result of a game.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't think that most Chiefs fans are willing to give up the prospect of these 10-12 win seasons, even if there isn't a realistic chance at winning anything of consequence.

This is the same argument that has happened on this site for a decade: it's the tug-of-war between people that see wild card flameouts as empty and those that view the pantomime of competitiveness as something not to be trifled with.

Approach the question from the perspective of a bureaucrat: would you rather have a job with extremely high pay and security in perpetuity with little risk, even if you don't achieve goals that will have you recognized at the top of your field, or would you risk losing said job with high salary, if your key evaluation turns out incorrectly?

Alex Smith is a "don't rock the boat, kiss the boss's ass, and hope for the best," pick. It can work, rarely, but it's the kind of chickenshit move made by management the world over. And it's the right move, not because he actually gives you a chance to win anything of consequence, but because most fans are happy enough with 10-6, and are too impatient to undergo a rebuild with both down years and a risk of failure.

Me? Beating Brian Hoyer for your playoff scalp is just as meaningless as 3-13. But I'm not the person tying my identity to Red Friday, treating Arrowhead as a bottomless kegger, and fighting people in the stands over the result of a game.

I understand the Alex Smith trade. It was a win now move from Hunt/Dorsey/Reid because this fan base needed wins after years of Pioli/Cassel. It stabilized the team and allowed them to build depth. Great....thanks for the wins. Now is the time to ditch that buoy and build a team that can actually compete for SBs in the future.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I understand the Alex Smith trade. It was a win now move from Hunt/Dorsey/Reid because this fan base needed wins after years of Pioli/Cassel. It stabilized the team and allowed them to build depth. Great....thanks for the wins. Now is the time to ditch that buoy and build a team that can actually compete for SBs in the future.

100% this... Smith WAS the right move at the time IMO as well

But you and I have already pointed out a path that would keep both sides happy for the time being

Promote Foles to starter, thereby ensuring further 10-6ish respectability/maybe even more... while a hotshot rookie earns his stripes

Everyone wins

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I understand the Alex Smith trade. It was a win now move from Hunt/Dorsey/Reid because this fan base needed wins after years of Pioli/Cassel. It stabilized the team and allowed them to build depth. Great....thanks for the wins. Now is the time to ditch that buoy and build a team that can actually compete for SBs in the future.

I agree completely.
I keep hanging on to that thread of hope year after year. But the logical side of me sees it the way Hamas does. The business known as The Chiefs is continually a very profitable business. Why would they risk that ? They're current operating procedure is pretty damn successful.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by stumppy

I agree completely.
I keep hanging on to that thread of hope year after year. But the logical side of me sees it the way Hamas does. The business known as The Chiefs is continually a very profitable business. Why would they risk that ? They're current operating procedure is pretty damn successful.

I tend to see it like philfree... winning seasons and acquiring a QBOTF dont have to be mutually exclusive

A trade up into the top of the second round is totally feasible, for example

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I tend to see it like philfree... winning seasons and acquiring a QBOTF dont have to be mutually exclusive

A trade up into the top of the second round is totally feasible, for example

I agree to an extent. But I want SUPER BOWL winning seasons. I'm not saying we HAVE to draft a 1st or 2cnd round QB to win. I'm just saying the risk/reward in that is not something the business known as The Chiefs are going to do. A few losing seasons caused by a high draft pick QB bust will cost them big time $$. While continuing down the same old path has been and still is very profitable.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by stumppy

A few losing seasons caused by a high draft pick QB bust will cost them big time $$. While continuing down the same old path has been and still is very profitable.

I respectfully disagree, Chiefs fans packed Arrowhead for consecutive, and truly awful, years... the fans arent going to abandon this team

Besides that...

Dorsey will get us a QBOTF while maintaining a winning vibe, I'd swear on it

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I respectfully disagree, Chiefs fans packed Arrowhead for consecutive, and truly awful, years... the fans arent going to abandon this team

Besides that...

Dorsey will get us a QBOTF while maintaining a winning vibe, I'd swear on it

I didn't say the team was or will be abandoned. I'm talking about the $$ involved. Surely you don't think losing seasons are as profitable as winning seasons ?

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Me? Beating Brian Hoyer for your playoff scalp is just as meaningless as 3-13.

Well, for you and your life, that decision is yours to make.

For me, the season is long.. and the more weeks that I can smile over a win.. the later in the year where I can view KC as relevant.. is pleasing to me.. adds a little something positive throughout the football year.

I can see both sides of this.. but imho, my side is a hell of a lot happier.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Well, for you and your life, that decision is yours to make.

For me, the season is long.. and the more weeks that I can smile over a win.. the later in the year where I can view KC as relevant.. is pleasing to me.. adds a little something positive throughout the football year.

I can see both sides of this.. but imho, my side is a hell of a lot happier.

The Chiefs are just as irrelevant now as they were when they were 2-14.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Chiefs are just as irrelevant now as they were when they were 2-14.

I disagree, this club has more cache within the league than at any time since Marty, at the least

For instance, we now have the kind of leadership and winning reputation that makes it much easier to sign quality free agents than we've had since forever

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Chiefs are just as irrelevant now as they were when they were 2-14.

I don't think it would be 2-3 seasons of bad records with a rookie qb. I think the d and st could carry a rookie qb. A lot of times a rookie qb goes into a mess there are a lot pieces in place here.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't think that most Chiefs fans are willing to give up the prospect of these 10-12 win seasons, even if there isn't a realistic chance at winning anything of consequence.

This is the same argument that has happened on this site for a decade: it's the tug-of-war between people that see wild card flameouts as empty and those that view the pantomime of competitiveness as something not to be trifled with.

Approach the question from the perspective of a bureaucrat: would you rather have a job with extremely high pay and security in perpetuity with little risk, even if you don't achieve goals that will have you recognized at the top of your field, or would you risk losing said job with high salary, if your key evaluation turns out incorrectly?

Alex Smith is a "don't rock the boat, kiss the boss's ass, and hope for the best," pick. It can work, rarely, but it's the kind of chickenshit move made by management the world over. And it's the right move, not because he actually gives you a chance to win anything of consequence, but because most fans are happy enough with 10-6, and are too impatient to undergo a rebuild with both down years and a risk of failure.

Me? Beating Brian Hoyer for your playoff scalp is just as meaningless as 3-13. But I'm not the person tying my identity to Red Friday, treating Arrowhead as a bottomless kegger, and fighting people in the stands over the result of a game.

Flacco was a 230 yard/game (22 TD's/10 INT) guy the year he won it all. He just got hot at the right time in the playoffs.

Aikman/Elway/Young Tom Brady were all game managers when they won their set of rings. Brady has only won a single lombardi since he moved to the "elite level" in 2006. Russell Wilson is a premier game manager and has gone to two superbowls in a span of 3 seasons.

Effective game managers = Winners

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Flacco was a 230 yard/game (22 TD's/10 INT) guy the year he won it all. He just got hot at the right time in the playoffs.

Aikman/Elway/Young Tom Brady were all game managers when they won their set of rings. Brady has only won a single lombardi since he moved to the "elite level" in 2006. Russell Wilson is a premier game manager and has gone to two superbowls in a span of 3 seasons.

Effective game managers = Winners

Wilson is a playmaker with a great arm and downfield vision. Every qb that wins isn't a game manager.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't think that most Chiefs fans are willing to give up the prospect of these 10-12 win seasons, even if there isn't a realistic chance at winning anything of consequence.

This is the same argument that has happened on this site for a decade: it's the tug-of-war between people that see wild card flameouts as empty and those that view the pantomime of competitiveness as something not to be trifled with.

Approach the question from the perspective of a bureaucrat: would you rather have a job with extremely high pay and security in perpetuity with little risk, even if you don't achieve goals that will have you recognized at the top of your field, or would you risk losing said job with high salary, if your key evaluation turns out incorrectly?

Alex Smith is a "don't rock the boat, kiss the boss's ass, and hope for the best," pick. It can work, rarely, but it's the kind of chickenshit move made by management the world over. And it's the right move, not because he actually gives you a chance to win anything of consequence, but because most fans are happy enough with 10-6, and are too impatient to undergo a rebuild with both down years and a risk of failure.

Me? Beating Brian Hoyer for your playoff scalp is just as meaningless as 3-13. But I'm not the person tying my identity to Red Friday, treating Arrowhead as a bottomless kegger, and fighting people in the stands over the result of a game.

Now HERE ladies and gents, is a truly special CP Christmas present from days gone by; a classic Jenkins post in the tradition and spirit of the Four Horsemen of the Cassacolypse. My mother****in' day is grey to sunshine, chicken shit to salad.
WELL DONE, SAH!

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Effective game managers = Winners

Man, it sure would be swell if the Chiefs possessed one of those at this point!