Charles Davis: Chiefs shouldn't move on from Smith unless they have his replacement

[Stargazer]

Fox Sports' Charles Davis is talking about the Chiefs and the loss to Tennessee as well as Andy Reid's playcalling in that game. He's also asked about Alex Smith and seems to believe that the Chiefs can't move on from him unless that have his replacement NOW.

8:00 min mark of video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjCQC4fo_CI

[Snica]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't think that most Chiefs fans are willing to give up the prospect of these 10-12 win seasons, even if there isn't a realistic chance at winning anything of consequence.

This is the same argument that has happened on this site for a decade: it's the tug-of-war between people that see wild card flameouts as empty and those that view the pantomime of competitiveness as something not to be trifled with.

Approach the question from the perspective of a bureaucrat: would you rather have a job with extremely high pay and security in perpetuity with little risk, even if you don't achieve goals that will have you recognized at the top of your field, or would you risk losing said job with high salary, if your key evaluation turns out incorrectly?

Alex Smith is a "don't rock the boat, kiss the boss's ass, and hope for the best," pick. It can work, rarely, but it's the kind of chickenshit move made by management the world over. And it's the right move, not because he actually gives you a chance to win anything of consequence, but because most fans are happy enough with 10-6, and are too impatient to undergo a rebuild with both down years and a risk of failure.

Me? Beating Brian Hoyer for your playoff scalp is just as meaningless as 3-13. But I'm not the person tying my identity to Red Friday, treating Arrowhead as a bottomless kegger, and fighting people in the stands over the result of a game.

Personally, I watch every game year in and year out. The good years and the bad years. Hoping for the best but not surprised when we get the least.

I would whole heartedly support this team through 2-3 bad seasons in the hopes of putting together a superbowl winner. God knows I've been doing it since the 70s. The one thing this team just refuses to do is draft a QB high in the draft.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't think that most Chiefs fans are willing to give up the prospect of these 10-12 win seasons, even if there isn't a realistic chance at winning anything of consequence.

This is the same argument that has happened on this site for a decade: it's the tug-of-war between people that see wild card flameouts as empty and those that view the pantomime of competitiveness as something not to be trifled with.

Approach the question from the perspective of a bureaucrat: would you rather have a job with extremely high pay and security in perpetuity with little risk, even if you don't achieve goals that will have you recognized at the top of your field, or would you risk losing said job with high salary, if your key evaluation turns out incorrectly?

Alex Smith is a "don't rock the boat, kiss the boss's ass, and hope for the best," pick. It can work, rarely, but it's the kind of chickenshit move made by management the world over. And it's the right move, not because he actually gives you a chance to win anything of consequence, but because most fans are happy enough with 10-6, and are too impatient to undergo a rebuild with both down years and a risk of failure.

Me? Beating Brian Hoyer for your playoff scalp is just as meaningless as 3-13. But I'm not the person tying my identity to Red Friday, treating Arrowhead as a bottomless kegger, and fighting people in the stands over the result of a game.

Dorsey needs to set himself apart by finding our QBOTF while were having all these shitty winning seasons. Maybe we should do it like the Patriots did and get lucky with a 6th round pick. That'd be great. The whole idea that a team has to lose games to find a QB is BS. Keep, winning keep stacking the D and find the QBOTF any way you can. Doesn't have to be the same old argument.

[Snica]

Originally Posted by philfree

Dorsey needs to set himself apart by finding our QBOTF while were having all these shitty winning seasons. Maybe we should do it like the Patriots did and get lucky with a 6th round pick. That'd be great. The whole idea that a team has to lose games to find a QB is BS. Keep, winning keep stacking the D and find the QBOTF any way you can. Doesn't have to be the same old argument.

That would be even better but I don't see the team sacrificing picks or players to trade up into the 1st or 2nd round to get a QB. The problem is that KC continues to hope on having Patriot fortune and lucking into a late round surprise. So far they are batting .000.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Snica

That would be even better but I don't see the team sacrificing picks or players to trade up into the 1st or 2nd round to get a QB. The problem is that KC continues to hope on having Patriot fortune and lucking into a late round surprise. So far they are batting .000.

Like I said Dorsey needs to set himself apart and find The guy.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by philfree

Like I said Dorsey needs to set himself apart and find The guy.

Yeah. After 4 years I'm done with the guy. Time to draft a QB and have him ready next season with Smith restructured as a backup.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Well, for you and your life, that decision is yours to make.

For me, the season is long.. and the more weeks that I can smile over a win.. the later in the year where I can view KC as relevant.. is pleasing to me.. adds a little something positive throughout the football year.

I can see both sides of this.. but imho, my side is a hell of a lot happier.

The Chiefs are just as irrelevant now as they were when they were 2-14.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Chiefs are just as irrelevant now as they were when they were 2-14.

I disagree, this club has more cache within the league than at any time since Marty, at the least

For instance, we now have the kind of leadership and winning reputation that makes it much easier to sign quality free agents than we've had since forever

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Chiefs are just as irrelevant now as they were when they were 2-14.

I don't think it would be 2-3 seasons of bad records with a rookie qb. I think the d and st could carry a rookie qb. A lot of times a rookie qb goes into a mess there are a lot pieces in place here.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I understand the Alex Smith trade. It was a win now move from Hunt/Dorsey/Reid because this fan base needed wins after years of Pioli/Cassel. It stabilized the team and allowed them to build depth. Great....thanks for the wins. Now is the time to ditch that buoy and build a team that can actually compete for SBs in the future.

I agree completely.
I keep hanging on to that thread of hope year after year. But the logical side of me sees it the way Hamas does. The business known as The Chiefs is continually a very profitable business. Why would they risk that ? They're current operating procedure is pretty damn successful.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by stumppy

I agree completely.
I keep hanging on to that thread of hope year after year. But the logical side of me sees it the way Hamas does. The business known as The Chiefs is continually a very profitable business. Why would they risk that ? They're current operating procedure is pretty damn successful.

I tend to see it like philfree... winning seasons and acquiring a QBOTF dont have to be mutually exclusive

A trade up into the top of the second round is totally feasible, for example

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I tend to see it like philfree... winning seasons and acquiring a QBOTF dont have to be mutually exclusive

A trade up into the top of the second round is totally feasible, for example

I agree to an extent. But I want SUPER BOWL winning seasons. I'm not saying we HAVE to draft a 1st or 2cnd round QB to win. I'm just saying the risk/reward in that is not something the business known as The Chiefs are going to do. A few losing seasons caused by a high draft pick QB bust will cost them big time $$. While continuing down the same old path has been and still is very profitable.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by stumppy

A few losing seasons caused by a high draft pick QB bust will cost them big time $$. While continuing down the same old path has been and still is very profitable.

I respectfully disagree, Chiefs fans packed Arrowhead for consecutive, and truly awful, years... the fans arent going to abandon this team

Besides that...

Dorsey will get us a QBOTF while maintaining a winning vibe, I'd swear on it

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I respectfully disagree, Chiefs fans packed Arrowhead for consecutive, and truly awful, years... the fans arent going to abandon this team

Besides that...

Dorsey will get us a QBOTF while maintaining a winning vibe, I'd swear on it

I didn't say the team was or will be abandoned. I'm talking about the $$ involved. Surely you don't think losing seasons are as profitable as winning seasons ?

[RunKC]

It's all up to Andy. Derek Carr was a guy they wanted, but didn't make it a priority since we had Alex.

The theme of this staff is to get a guy early as insurance to replace a high contract guy. Alex has 2 more years left on his deal.

It has to be a priority, but I doubt it is. It's just like this organization to keep QB's like Alex despite little to no success in January

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by stumppy

I didn't say the team was or will be abandoned. I'm talking about the $$ involved. Surely you don't think losing seasons are as profitable as winning seasons ?

I think that after 4 to 5 years of tail-chasing in regards to winning the Big Prize, most fans would be willing to give it a go and to show some developmental patience.

Ideally, you take a good prospect while Smiff is still on the roster, so as not to cause panic among the more weak-stomached folk.