*** Official Youth, High School, College and International Wrestling Thread ***

[rico]

I can't be the only wrestling fan on this site. In fact, I know I that's not the case. The almighty king of n00bs, Sorter, is a wrestling fan. I figure there could be more.....????

Discuss anything wrestling related:

Youth wrestling: Heck, wrestling in Iowa has a rabid Youth wrestling scene...I lived through it, my younger brother lived through it and my brothers who are 15 and 13 are living through it, well the 13 year old is anyway...he's in high school. The 13 year old is a 7th grader who has been wrestling since he was 5 years old and has accumulated 4 state championships since his second grade year...a total badass. Believe it or not, Iowa has a youth wrestling forum that is hopping...even during the summer. Iowans take this stuff seriously. I'm assuming other states have rabid youth followings, for when I watch my bros at National tourneys, we are constantly running into kids and super clubs from other states that are amazing. Ironically, one of the biggest youth tourneys our club hits annually is the Park Hill Individual and Dual tournament...which to my knowledge is in Kansas City (I've never attended that one). Do any of you have kids who are wrestling? If so, how are they doing?

High School Wrestling: High school and college wrestling in Iowa is big... we are known for it, ask AC Slater. State tournament is a big, televised event at the Wells Fargo dome...you will see probably 10 times more spectators at state wrestling in Iowa then any other high school sporting event in Iowa. With some of the crazy talent I have seen/wrestled against at Fargo Nationals, I am assuming that it's either on the rise or just as big in other states as well... What are your thoughts on some of the high school wrestlers and/or teams out there?

College Wrestling: Hell, you Missourians semi-recently had those Askren brothers. I've never met Max, but have met Ben. He was the celebrity guest at Iowa Grade School State one year...he signed autographs and handed the medals and wall charts to all of the kids on the podium that year, which was cool because my youngest brother won it that year and was able to get his championship singlet signed by him. I was with my brother when he approached him....Askren struck me as a funny, goofy type of dude. I don't know Max, but someone posted his blog on an Iowa wrestling message board and the dude seems like a character. I know there are some Oklahomans' who post on this board. Anyone see Okie State defeat Iowa this past weekend? Iowa's first dual loss of the year. Anyone have any thoughts on college wrestling?

International Wrestling: Any of you have any thoughts on the international wrestling scene? Future Olympians, future Olympic champs, future World champs, Greco, Freestyle, etc.?

Wrestling Memories/General Discussion: Any of you have any memories you'd like to share from your personal experience(s) of wrestling when you were in youth, high school or college? Any opinions on females wrestling with males. Last year, a girl named Megan Black made history in Iowa by placing at state. Do you believe females should be able to wrestle with males at that age? Any thoughts on weight cutting? What are some of the most memorable matches to you? Who are your favorite wrestlers? One match that always sticks out to me is this:



Crazy match.

My favorite wrestler (besides my bros and former teammates) of all time is ironically not an Iowan. I don't really have a favorite team in wrestling...I root for individuals. It's a dude from Ohio that I initially hated because I didn't like the way he conducted himself after a match vs. my brother in the national duals when he and my brother were Seniors in High School, in which he defeated my brother. Kid was cocky. He and my brother both went on to wrestle D1, so I followed him since I knew who he was. I ended up becoming a huge fan of the kid's style...the kid could hit cradles from ANY position. He went on to win 2 National titles for Ohio State...and did so both years as an underdog, for he'd lose quite a few silly matches during the season, presumably due to his risky, but dangerous style that worked well for him at NCAA Nationals. It's a dude named Jeff Jaggers. First vid is what really put his name on the map as a high school wrestler. 2nd vid is his 1st NCAA championship as a Junior, in a match where he was a huge underdog, broke his ankle during the match and gutted it out and won. My favorite wrestlers tend to be the ones who are risk takers or brawlers...not afraid to be aggressive or take chances. I can't stand stallish wrestlers who are successful as hell simply because they don't open up and therefore don't give up points and score their own points by capitalizing on the other wrestler's aggression. Boring.






So what ya got?

Note: I have been posting on wrestling message boards for 12 years and I (and I'm sure everyone else involved with the sport) have heard every wrestling joke (rolling around with men, etc.) imaginable, but if ya want to clown on the sport, shoot... it was inevitable to happen anyways on CP, so have at it!

[NewChief]

Okay. I'll elaborate a little more on today's wrestling:

His Division 2 matches weren't even close as he won them all by fall, one in 10 seconds. He just outpowered everyone and didn't really have to use much technique. He did start his very first match with a great snap down to score then just worked the kid from there.

Division 3 was a lot tougher. He was wrestling all the guys who moved up and smoked his ass all last year plus some of the older guys he's never seen (this is the first time he's ever wrestled up). That being said, he scored his share of points and held his own.

We've REALLY got to get our coach to move beyond the half nelson, though. That's our goto move to try to get a pin, and while it's a classic, it starts to get old by Division 3. Our club is finally big enough that we have advanced practices as well, so I'm hoping that we'll start working cradles, tilts, chicken wings, etc.. in advance practice. On top of that, our kids aren't working hand/arm control very much. You can see the kids who really know how to set up their pins and moves with 2on1s and such. Our kids don't really work on controlling the wrists/arms to set things up, and it will be hard to really move beyond halfs into cradles until they learn the strategy of arm control.

[Iowanian]

You can built on the half easily by having him put in a far side chicken wing. I teach my boy to go under the bicep and lock the far wrist from his half Nelson. It helps him stay deep enough on the half and controls the other kids far arm.

I worked with a couple of the older nephews today. We worked on ankle picks and a quarter Nelson. Quarter Nelson is "there" a lot at the youth level.

As a coach, we start very simple....we are often teaching skills and doing drills that will be implemented with the next series of moves, kind of like drop step drills lead into good double leg technique. We want the younger kids to be able to do 1 move at at each level very well....double leg, stand up escape, 1 breakdown from the top and the half or power half. Once they get those down, you try to add a second takedown, reverse/swiitch and add a cradle. Then as they are ready we start to teach new moves. Every coach obviously has things they like....I always liked high c, outside single....fireman. When they learn the fireman, you can build off to a jap wizard...I always used lateral drop and 2-3 head tosses...but we don't teach throws before high school because we want them to focus on the techniques....once you teach a kid to throw, it's all they want to do.

I'm not sure what you're calling divisions....is that based on age or skill? They don't really do that in Iowa. There are novice tournaments but if you sign up, it's based on age and weight.

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

You can built on the half easily by having him put in a far side chicken wing. I teach my boy to go under the bicep and lock the far wrist from his half Nelson. It helps him stay deep enough on the half and controls the other kids far arm.

I worked with a couple of the older nephews today. We worked on ankle picks and a quarter Nelson. Quarter Nelson is "there" a lot at the youth level.

As a coach, we start very simple....we are often teaching skills and doing drills that will be implemented with the next series of moves, kind of like drop step drills lead into good double leg technique. We want the younger kids to be able to do 1 move at at each level very well....double leg, stand up escape, 1 breakdown from the top and the half or power half. Once they get those down, you try to add a second takedown, reverse/swiitch and add a cradle. Then as they are ready we start to teach new moves. Every coach obviously has things they like....I always liked high c, outside single....fireman. When they learn the fireman, you can build off to a jap wizard...I always used lateral drop and 2-3 head tosses...but we don't teach throws before high school because we want them to focus on the techniques....once you teach a kid to throw, it's all they want to do.

I'm not sure what you're calling divisions....is that based on age or skill? They don't really do that in Iowa. There are novice tournaments but if you sign up, it's based on age and weight.

Good stuff. Thanks!

Divisions are just age here:

Div 1: 6 and Under
Div 2: 8 and under
Div 3: 10 and under
Div 4: 12 and under
Div 5: 14 and under

[NewChief]

Tore through Division 2 today again for 1st (4 1st period pins and one major decision) Wrestled pretty well wrestling up in Division 3, but he only won one there.

Proudest I was of him was making it into the second with a really nasty Division 3 wrestler. He also laid a sweet ankle pick on a kid today which they drilled a lot this week. He ran it into a pin with the kid fighting like crazy to throw his half off, but he stayed calm, settled and just methodically got the pin to win 1st.

[NewChief]

The boy won Div2 again yesterday. He's undefeated in his division this year. He got to wrestle a couple of Oklahoma kids, too, and had little problem with them. The real issue is that he's not really getting much of a workout in his dvision, but that's why we're wrestling him up as well. Yesterday was split session (Div 1, 3, 5 in morning and Div 2, 4 in afternoon), and we decided not to wrestle in Div3, so we wouldn't be there all day.

Next week, we're hosting the tournament, and he'll get to wrestle two divisions again. Yesterday, he told me that he winning doesn't really make him happy. I was kind of shocked and said, "Why not?" He said, "the only win that's going to make me happy this year is winning State."

It's actually pretty cool, because they did a goal setting workshop at his school at the first of this year, and he set winning State as one of his goals and had all the stuff he was going to need to do to make that happen. So far, he's manifesting it pretty well.

[Iowanian]

Had our first tournament today.
My kid wrestled 3 older boys and had a rough day.

Opportunities to lean for several of our kids today.

[NewChief]

After an awful late season slump that saw him not placing in several tournaments and getting beat by kids he formerly smoked, my son ended up finishing 2nd in State today. He had really set his goal for 1st after the great start to the season he has, but I'm pretty happy that he battled through adversity and finished strong.

[Buzz]

Makes my ass hurt thinking about all those wrestling tournaments I sat through. Wood bleacher seats are not kind on the old behind. Good job on your kids success.

[NewChief]

Considering doing "brute" nationals (now called Adidas Nationals) in April in Independence. Probably get smoked but would be fun to see a large Tournament. Anyone have experience with that tourney?

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by NewChief

Considering doing "brute" nationals (now called Adidas Nationals) in April in Independence. Probably get smoked but would be fun to see a large Tournament. Anyone have experience with that tourney?

Im not too familiar with the youth wrestling scene, but I was under the impression that this tournament had been suffering from the immense popularity of Folkstyle Nationals held at the UNI dome in Iowa. Pretty sure that is considered the premier postseason event for youth wrestling in the middle of the country. I think you will see a lot of 8-man brackets or smaller at Brute.

Intermediate age range is born (2007-2008). If that's where your kid falls, brackets for the intermediate range in 2016 were in the range of 20+ for the popular weights (55-75). Definitely a tough tournament though, and sometimes especially so if you fall on the younger side of age bracket. I think Brute goes by individual grade. Perhaps that's why brackets look smaller, but competition a little more balanced.

Either way, postseason wrestling is great!

You should try to get out to Tulsa one year for Tulsa kickoff in November or Tulsa Nationals in January. Two huge youth tournaments.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Rico,

Is your youngest bro looking at D1 schools yet?

I see that Drew Foster is a top 15-20 kid at UNI

Holloway wrestling undersized for Iowa for the injured Stoll.

[KChiefs1]

Where is Mizzou ranked?


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[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Where is Mizzou ranked?


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They are in the 5-7 range. Season started a little rough for them, but they are coming around. Wrestled really well against Oklahoma St. Cox should win 197 and they have All-American opportunities at 141 (Eireman), 149 (returning AA Mayes), 165 (returning AA Lewis), 157 (Lavallee), and an outside shot for 174 (Wisman). Unfortunately Barlow McGhee really fell off at 125 and Miklus had a season ending injury at 184.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Rudy won the toss

They are in the 5-7 range. Season started a little rough for them, but they are coming around. Wrestled really well against Oklahoma St. Cox should win 197 and they have All-American opportunities at 141 (Eireman), 149 (returning AA Mayes), 165 (returning AA Lewis), 157 (Lavallee), and an outside shot for 174 (Wisman). Unfortunately Barlow McGhee really fell off at 125 and Miklus had a season ending injury at 184.

They have underperformed in duals but I'd be shocked if we didn't place in the top 4...

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by Rausch

They have underperformed in duals but I'd be shocked if we didn't place in the top 4...

Id be shocked if they place top 4. Clear 4 seems to be:

Penn St.- up to 8 AAs, 2-4 finalists likely
Oklahoma St- up to 10 AAs, possibly 1-2 finalists
Iowa- up to 6 AAs, 2-3 finalists likely
Ohio St.- up to 6-7 AAs, 2-3 finalists likely

Then

Mizzou
VT

Losing Miklus and production from McGhee hurts them too much. And this Top 4 is better than most years.