We have a new GM and his name is Brett Veach

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay

Ballard should have been the GM. Clark messed this up.

Yes, absolutely.

If Clark had the slightest thought about not wanting to extend Dorsey back in January, he should have cut ties the day after the playoff loss and kept Ballard.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Yes, absolutely.

If Clark had the slightest thought about not wanting to extend Dorsey back in January, he should have cut ties the day after the playoff loss and kept Ballard.

This

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay

Ballard should have been the GM. Clark messed this up.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Yes, absolutely.

If Clark had the slightest thought about not wanting to extend Dorsey back in January, he should have cut ties the day after the playoff loss and kept Ballard.

100%

Hopefully Veach is good enough for us not to regret it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

If Clark had the slightest thought about not wanting to extend Dorsey back in January, he should have cut ties the day after the playoff loss and kept Ballard.

From all of the reports, Clark was concerned about Dorsey and had a cold relationship with him for at least 2 years. But, since the Chiefs were winning and drafting well, he overlooked the situation.

After Ballard was hired by the Colts, it became glaringly evident that Dorsey was a mess. He was unorganized, not a good communicator and made baffling decisions on his own. After the Maclin debacle, he pulled the trigger and fired Dorsey.

I think the entire situation is a Catch-22. Clark obviously wasn't fond of Dorsey the person or his management style but the Chiefs have had the type of success that he and the fans have yearned for since the early 90's. I'm sure it was difficult to reconcile his dislike of Dorsey while simultaneously, the Chiefs were experiencing great success.

Reportedly, Clark was able to overlook those issues until Ballard left, which exposed the dysfunction. In many ways, it sounds as if Ballard was covering Dorsey's tracks, per se. I'm just happy that Veach wasn't hired by Buffalo, as the Chiefs might be in real trouble after losing their #1, #2 and #3 guy.

All that said, people have accused (myself included) Lamar Hunt from having a "Hands Off" policy, as evidenced by a 15 year playoff drought and the final 10 years of Carl Peterson's tenure. Now, the Chiefs have a more "Hands On" owner and it appears that Clark will continue, if not expand, his role in the organization.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

From all of the reports, Clark was concerned about Dorsey and had a cold relationship with him for at least 2 years. But, since the Chiefs were winning and drafting well, he overlooked the situation.

After Ballard was hired by the Colts, it became glaringly evident that Dorsey was a mess. He was unorganized, not a good communicator and made baffling decisions on his own. After the Maclin debacle, he pulled the trigger and fired Dorsey.

I think the entire situation is a Catch-22. Clark obviously wasn't fond of Dorsey the person or his management style but the Chiefs have had the type of success that he and the fans have yearned for since the early 90's. I'm sure it was difficult to reconcile his dislike of Dorsey while simultaneously, the Chiefs were experiencing great success.

Reportedly, Clark was able to overlook those issues until Ballard left, which exposed the dysfunction. In many ways, it sounds as if Ballard was covering Dorsey's tracks, per se. I'm just happy that Veach wasn't hired by Buffalo, as the Chiefs might be in real trouble after losing their #1, #2 and #3 guy.

All that said, people have accused (myself included) Lamar Hunt from having a "Hands Off" policy, as evidenced by a 15 year playoff drought and the final 10 years of Carl Peterson's tenure. Now, the Chiefs have a more "Hands On" owner and it appears that Clark will continue, if not expand, his role in the organization.

If things were iffy between them then Clark should have done this analysis before Ballard left. I can't believe it was all roses before he left and then over a few months it went from loving the guy to firing him. So if Clark had issues, this epic audit of the team should have happened before your #2 got job offers.

This is not about putting down Veach or predicting doom. But to me if the sequence of events is true, then Clark did this wrong. I don't know what happens with Ballard, but the timing by Clark is a mistake on his part. Doesn't even matter who turns out best, the fact that he didn't give himself a choice is poor management.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

This is not about putting down Veach or predicting doom. But to me if the sequence of events is true, then Clark did this wrong.

I agree with this, although I have had to fire people and even for a lesser job its not easy...but I mean like RIGHT before trainign camp?

come on man!

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

If things were iffy between them then Clark should have done this analysis before Ballard left. I can't believe it was all roses before he left and then over a few months it went from loving the guy to firing him. So if Clark had issues, this epic audit of the team should have happened before your #2 got job offers.

This is not about putting down Veach or predicting doom. But to me if the sequence of events is true, then Clark did this wrong. I don't know what happens with Ballard, but the timing by Clark is a mistake on his part. Doesn't even matter who turns out best, the fact that he didn't give himself a choice is poor management.

Once again, I think it was a difficult reconciliation. As someone that as been put in that type of situation, I can sympathize.

Once again, Dorsey did a great job with talent but not so great with communication and management. That became ever more apparent after Ballard left and even more so after the botched releases of Howard and Maclin.

It is what it is. Now, it's time to move on.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Once again, I think it was a difficult reconciliation. As someone that as been put in that type of situation, I can sympathize.

Once again, Dorsey did a great job with talent but not so great with communication and management. That became ever more apparent after Ballard left and even more so after the botched releases of Howard and Maclin.

It is what it is. Now, it's time to move on.

The decision is too important for the stuff after Ballard to be last straw. If you are even close to last straw you make the audit before Ballard leaves.

Like you said though, it is what it is. At least Veach seems to have real potential.

[Canofbier]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

From all of the reports, Clark was concerned about Dorsey and had a cold relationship with him for at least 2 years. But, since the Chiefs were winning and drafting well, he overlooked the situation.

After Ballard was hired by the Colts, it became glaringly evident that Dorsey was a mess. He was unorganized, not a good communicator and made baffling decisions on his own. After the Maclin debacle, he pulled the trigger and fired Dorsey.

I think the entire situation is a Catch-22. Clark obviously wasn't fond of Dorsey the person or his management style but the Chiefs have had the type of success that he and the fans have yearned for since the early 90's. I'm sure it was difficult to reconcile his dislike of Dorsey while simultaneously, the Chiefs were experiencing great success.

Reportedly, Clark was able to overlook those issues until Ballard left, which exposed the dysfunction. In many ways, it sounds as if Ballard was covering Dorsey's tracks, per se. I'm just happy that Veach wasn't hired by Buffalo, as the Chiefs might be in real trouble after losing their #1, #2 and #3 guy.

All that said, people have accused (myself included) Lamar Hunt from having a "Hands Off" policy, as evidenced by a 15 year playoff drought and the final 10 years of Carl Peterson's tenure. Now, the Chiefs have a more "Hands On" owner and it appears that Clark will continue, if not expand, his role in the organization.

Based on the reports we've seen and the otherwise ill-advised timing of the move (with respect to Ballard's departure), I think this is the most plausible summary of what happened. We can only hope that Clark is willing to set a limit on his urge to control the team, though - I'd hate for him to become one of those owners that makes a habit of driving away talented front office people.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Yes, absolutely.

If Clark had the slightest thought about not wanting to extend Dorsey back in January, he should have cut ties the day after the playoff loss and kept Ballard.

I agree totally. If Hunt had been planning to fire Dorsey back then, it makes no sense to let Ballard walk away for nothing. The contract situation coming up was no surprise, and Hunt is no fool. That's why the official story smells, and Reid being extended simultaneously also carries a similar fishy scent.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Cochise

I agree totally. If Hunt had been planning to fire Dorsey back then, it makes no sense to let Ballard walk away for nothing. The contract situation coming up was no surprise, and Hunt is no fool. That's why the official story smells, and Reid being extended simultaneously also carries a similar fishy scent.

Obviously, he wasn't planning to fire him in January.

Duh.

And the contract situation wasn't "coming up", as Dorsey had another year on his deal. He could have remained under employ for the 2017 League Year and would have had plenty of time to discuss an extension with his agent.

Your rampant uninformed speculation is tiring.