Demetrius Harris: Idiot

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

If they get down to spiller or west having to get 20 touches per game, they're in trouble anyway.

That's what people thought when Charles tore his ACL in 2015.

All the Chiefs did was win 11 straight games.

Originally Posted by O.city

West doesn't seem to play to his 40 speed to me. Last week he got caught from behind a few times.

He's a good back, I'm just not sure what his ultimate upside is.

When healthy, he's played really well behind the #1 offensive line (which at times, really wasn't even the #1 O-line due to injuries to LDT, concussions to Morse, etc.).

Even if his upside is 640 yards and 4 TD's with a 4.0 YPA (his 2015 rushing numbers), that beats the shit out of Knile Davis.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's what people thought when Charles tore his ACL in 2015.

All the Chiefs did was win 11 straight games.



When healthy, he's played really well behind the #1 offensive line (which at times, really wasn't even the #1 O-line due to injuries to LDT, concussions to Morse, etc.).

Even if his upside is 640 yards and 4 TD's with a 4.0 YPA (his 2015 rushing numbers), that beats the shit out of Knile Davis.

They did win 11 straight but also had ware and west come out of no where. Dunno that I'd count in that again necessarily.

As DJ more eloquently put it a few posts up, west or spiller seems to be the third guy this season and I'm not sure either get that many touches

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

They did win 11 straight but also had ware and west come out of no where. Dunno that I'd count in that again necessarily.

As DJ more eloquently put it a few posts up, west or spiller seems to be the third guy this season and I'm not sure either get that many touches

Hunt is more talented than West and Ware.

We'll be fine.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Hunt is more talented than West and Ware.

We'll be fine.

Ok?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Ok?

This team got it done with Davis and McKnight when they had to.

The chances that Ware and Hunt both miss significant time at the same time are slim. Hunt has proven to be durable.

I'm just saying I don't think there's anything to worry about with our RB group. If we survived with West, Ware, and Davis we'll be fine with Hunt, Ware, West, and Spiller.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

This team got it done with Davis and McKnight when they had to.

The chances that Ware and Hunt both miss significant time at the same time are slim. Hunt has proven to be durable.

I'm just saying I don't think there's anything to worry about with our RB group. If we survived with West, Ware, and Davis we'll be fine with Hunt, Ware, West, and Spiller.

Again, ok?

No one was saying the contrary? No one seems to be worrying about the rb group, just talking about who the 3rd guy ends up being

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Again, ok?

No one was saying the contrary? No one seems to be worrying about the rb group, just talking about who the 3rd guy ends up being

I was replying to this part:

They did win 11 straight but also had ware and west come out of no where. Dunno that I'd count in that again necessarily.

You sounded concerned to me

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Hunt is more talented than West and Ware.

We'll be fine.

Ware is a VERY talented back, IMO.

Speed, power and agility. His acceleration and ability to bounce plays is really underrated.

That said - he was a mess after his injury last year (wasn't it a concussion?). The 2015 version of him looked like a 1,400 yard, 4.5 YPC runningback to my eyes. He shocked the hell out of me. And for a few games to start last year he looked just as good. Then he got hurt and just fell apart.

I'm not convinced Hunt's a clearly more talented back. He might be - we shall see. His vision is very good and his running style is fairly unique. He might fit this team perfectly and be just funky enough to give teams fits (a poor man's Bell, so to speak). But I won't just concede that he's clearly more talented than Ware.

Ware's power/speed combination is pretty hard to find when he's running right.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Ware is a VERY talented back, IMO.

Speed, power and agility. His acceleration and ability to bounce plays is really underrated.

That said - he was a mess after his injury last year (wasn't it a concussion?). The 2015 version of him looked like a 1,400 yard, 4.5 YPC runningback to my eyes. He shocked the hell out of me. And for a few games to start last year he looked just as good. Then he got hurt and just fell apart.

I'm not convinced Hunt's a clearly more talented back. He might be - we shall see. His vision is very good and his running style is fairly unique. He might fit this team perfectly and be just funky enough to give teams fits (a poor man's Bell, so to speak). But I won't just concede that he's clearly more talented than Ware.

Ware's power/speed combination is pretty hard to find when he's running right.

As you already know, I was really high on Hunt, so I may be biased.

I know for sure that he's more capable of handling a full workload though. Ware has yet to show he can going back all the way to college. I just find it hard to believe he ever will at this point.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Ware has yet to show he can going back all the way to college. I just find it hard to believe he ever will at this point.

Agreed.

The addition of Hunt and a healthy West *should* go a long way in keeping him healthy and fresh through January and hopefully, into February.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Ware is a VERY talented back, IMO.

Speed, power and agility. His acceleration and ability to bounce plays is really underrated.

That said - he was a mess after his injury last year (wasn't it a concussion?). The 2015 version of him looked like a 1,400 yard, 4.5 YPC runningback to my eyes. He shocked the hell out of me. And for a few games to start last year he looked just as good. Then he got hurt and just fell apart.

I'm not convinced Hunt's a clearly more talented back. He might be - we shall see. His vision is very good and his running style is fairly unique. He might fit this team perfectly and be just funky enough to give teams fits (a poor man's Bell, so to speak). But I won't just concede that he's clearly more talented than Ware.

Ware's power/speed combination is pretty hard to find when he's running right.

Ware has no speed. Hunt doesn't either but he may be a tad quicker. Neither is a home run threat but they are serviceable. Spiller is quickest to get moving.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Ware has no speed. Hunt doesn't either but he may be a tad quicker. Neither is a home run threat but they are serviceable. Spiller is quickest to get moving.

No, he's not a speed back. He's certainly no Chris Johnson.

But he's one of those 'fast for a big back' kind of runners; a 4.6 kinda player who's so powerfully built that his timed speed and game speed are very similar. Despite much different stopwatch times, I don't see West having a better top end than Ware (though admittedly he gets to his quicker). I don't think it's fair at all to say he has 'no' speed - he's not a slow runningback. Especially not for such a large ballcarrier.

And ultimately, Ware runs a 4.6 at his playing weight. Hunt had to shed weight to hit a 4.6. From a pure athleticism standpoint, I like Ware more (I love Ware's feet as well; great bounce). But Hunt has very good vision and appears to have a good feel for blocks and timing.

Spiller's just hard to get a feel for still. He's so far removed from his healthy prime and has been running behind patchwork lines here in the pre-season. I don't actually know if he's truly fast anymore. But the coaches see him daily and at least have an idea one way or the other. If they think he's a genuine HR threat, he'll probably make the team.

I'm not convinced he is.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No, he's not a speed back. He's certainly no Chris Johnson.

But he's one of those 'fast for a big back' kind of runners; a 4.6 kinda player who's so powerfully built that his timed speed and game speed are very similar. Despite much different stopwatch times, I don't see West having a better top end than Ware (though admittedly he gets to his quicker). I don't think it's fair at all to say he has 'no' speed - he's not a slow runningback. Especially not for such a large ballcarrier.

And ultimately, Ware runs a 4.6 at his playing weight. Hunt had to shed weight to hit a 4.6. From a pure athleticism standpoint, I like Ware more (I love Ware's feet as well; great bounce). But Hunt has very good vision and appears to have a good feel for blocks and timing.

Spiller's just hard to get a feel for still. He's so far removed from his healthy prime and has been running behind patchwork lines here in the pre-season. I don't actually know if he's truly fast anymore. But the coaches see him daily and at least have an idea one way or the other. If they think he's a genuine HR threat, he'll probably make the team.

I'm not convinced he is.

I have honestly never heard a more glowing review of a player, than Bienemy gave Spiller last week... he just went on and on and on, he simply couldnt praise the guy enough, it was over the top

Combine that with how he looked against Cincy, and I'd bet the guy is ready to ball out

I'd be absolutely floored if he didnt make the team

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Ware has no speed. Hunt doesn't either but he may be a tad quicker. Neither is a home run threat but they are serviceable. Spiller is quickest to get moving.

Part of the reason for his stats involves the Bills' offense, playing time and injuries. He still has a career average of 4.9 YPC. Not bad. I think he's a good fit for the Chiefs offense and will make the roster. West will go to the practice squad. Hope Spiller can stay healthy. We'll see...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Part of the reason for his stats involves the Bills' offense, playing time and injuries. He still has a career average of 4.9 YPC. Not bad. I think he's a good fit for the Chiefs offense and will make the roster. West will go to the practice squad. Hope Spiller can stay healthy. We'll see...

Good ****ing god, West isn't going on the Practice Squad.

The Chiefs would be beyond foolish not only to cut him but even worse, not even to trade him.

The guy has proven that when healthy, he's an effective WCO running back.

Seattle, Green Bay, Buffalo and Philly could use him immediately.