Sources: College hoops corruption case poised to take down top College BB Teams

[saphojunkie]

I love the blue-collar, hard workin' white man mentality. Deny people the right to fair compensation, and if they have a problem with it, go work in another country!

I would love to see one of you F350 driving assholes get told that to your face. No pay for you. Go work in Slovakia for a year, and come back then.

It's not about the fair compensation, it's about how they are denied the right to work that exists in virtually every other non-vice related profession.

[jaa1025]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I love the blue-collar, hard workin' white man mentality. Deny people the right to fair compensation, and if they have a problem with it, go work in another country!

I would love to see one of you F350 driving assholes get told that to your face. No pay for you. Go work in Slovakia for a year, and come back then.

It's not about the fair compensation, it's about how they are denied the right to work that exists in virtually every other non-vice related profession.

Racist.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I love the blue-collar, hard workin' white man mentality. Deny people the right to fair compensation, and if they have a problem with it, go work in another country!

I would love to see one of you F350 driving assholes get told that to your face. No pay for you. Go work in Slovakia for a year, and come back then.

It's not about the fair compensation, it's about how they are denied the right to work that exists in virtually every other non-vice related profession.

This is such ****ing bullshit. The vast majority of players are fairly compensated. What percentage of NCAA college athletes are ever going to make it in the NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL? Full ride scholarship athletes are given a scholarship that covers tuition, room and board, and some meals. That scholarship is worth tens of thousands of dollars a year. If they take advantage of this scholarship and get a degree in something different useful, it can provide for them and their familiy for the rest of their lives.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

This is such ****ing bullshit. The vast majority of players are fairly compensated. What percentage of NCAA college athletes are ever going to make it in the NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL? Full ride scholarship athletes are given a scholarship that covers tuition, room and board, and some meals. That scholarship is worth tens of thousands of dollars a year. If they take advantage of this scholarship and get a degree in something different useful, it can provide for them and their familiy for the rest of their lives.

Only two of the sports you mentioned give full scholarships (football and basketball).

And yes, those players do receive a tremendous range of benefits. They also generate BILLIONS of dollars in revenue for their athletic departments and the NCAA while going to school and working a full-time job (and a manual labor type job, at that. How many people could work a full-time construction or roofing job and carry a full class load and thrive?)

The system makes it illegal for them to have part time jobs (which is necessary, otherwise you'd have the Roger Morningstars and Bill Lauries of the world setting guys up with "jobs" that pay six figures for "summer work."). Many of the players comes from abject poverty... this leaves them without cash in their pocket to buy a pizza or take someone on a date to a movie or buy a pair of shoes. That's why under-the-table cash is so prevalent and sought out.

The additional stipends schools pay out now definitely are a step in the right direction... they reduce the dependency on booster cash. If those went a tad bit further, even better.

It's also worth noting that many of the players are pushed through degree mill programs so their eligibility will be maintained, education and future prospects be damned.

They do receive tremendous benefits. But there are also still some cracks to examine.

College football and basketball players at power 5 programs subsidize a lot of people (the entire NCAA office, coaches making millions, every athletic program that isn't football or men's basketball, every program outside a major conference, etc.) They deserve a little bit more of the pie they're baking.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Only two of the sports you mentioned give full scholarships (football and basketball).

And yes, those players do receive a tremendous range of benefits. They also generate BILLIONS of dollars in revenue for their athletic departments and the NCAA while going to school and working a full-time job (and a manual labor type job, at that. How many people could work a full-time construction or roofing job and carry a full class load and thrive?)

The system makes it illegal for them to have part time jobs (which is necessary, otherwise you'd have the Roger Morningstars and Bill Lauries of the world setting guys up with "jobs" that pay six figures for "summer work."). Many of the players comes from abject poverty... this leaves them without cash in their pocket to buy a pizza or take someone on a date to a movie or buy a pair of shoes. That's why under-the-table cash is so prevalent and sought out.

The additional stipends schools pay out now definitely are a step in the right direction... they reduce the dependency on booster cash. If those went a tad bit further, even better.

It's also worth noting that many of the players are pushed through degree mill programs so their eligibility will be maintained, education and future prospects be damned.

They do receive tremendous benefits. But there are also still some cracks to examine.

College football and basketball players at power 5 programs subsidize a lot of people (the entire NCAA office, coaches making millions, every athletic program that isn't football or men's basketball, every program outside a major conference, etc.) They deserve a little bit more of the pie they're baking.

Full-time job my ass. There isn’t a Division 1 athlete in the country who is “working” on their sport 10-12 hours per day like most construction workers and roofers in your dumb ass analogy.

The degree mill argument is dumb ass well. If the athlete isn’t smart enough or willing to work hard enough to advance towards a legitimate degree, they have options besides playing college athletics. Life isn’t fair and it isn’t easy. If you want something bad enough, you’ll put in the work to achieve it.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Full-time job my ass. There isn’t a Division 1 athlete in the country who is “working” on their sport 10-12 hours per day like most construction workers and roofers in your dumb ass analogy.

The degree mill argument is dumb ass well. If the athlete isn’t smart enough or willing to work hard enough to advance towards a legitimate degree, they have options besides playing college athletics. Life isn’t fair and it isn’t easy. If you want something bad enough, you’ll put in the work to achieve it.

First: Let me say, these kids get a tremendous benefit. It's very valuable. I'm not disputing that.

What I'm saying is it's difficult to take FULL advantage of it, especially during the season, because of the demands on your time with your sport. What I'm saying is that when they're generating BILLIONS of dollars and literally making ALL D1 college athletics possible... maybe it's not so bad to throw them bigger stipends so they feel compensated and so there's less incentive for the players to look for illegal benefits.

As for the comparisons... Are you aware of what the daily schedule looks like for a college football player in-season?

Strength and conditioning is 2 hours, typically
Actual practice is technically limited to 20 hours/week, but they don't practice on Saturday or Sunday (that works out to 5 hours a day)
Then there's the study/prep sessions for the next game (Add another hour/day, supposed to be limited to the 20 hour limit but never is)

That puts them at full work days M-F. Plus school. Most athletes take 12 hours in season. That means 12 hours of class over the course of 5 school days.

They get more of a break in the non-season semester, but they still typically have 2-3 hours/day committed to strength and conditioning and offseason work... and then for football, there's spring football, where the schedule is exactly what it is above.

That's why they get pushed into degree programs that are diploma mills, because where, amidst all of that, are they going to find time to take real classes and actually have time to attend them and study for them?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

First: Let me say, these kids get a tremendous benefit. It's very valuable. I'm not disputing that.

What I'm saying is it's difficult to take FULL advantage of it, especially during the season, because of the demands on your time with your sport. What I'm saying is that when they're generating BILLIONS of dollars and literally making ALL D1 college athletics possible... maybe it's not so bad to throw them bigger stipends so they feel compensated and so there's less incentive for the players to look for illegal benefits.

As for the comparisons... Are you aware of what the daily schedule looks like for a college football player in-season?

Strength and conditioning is 2 hours, typically
Actual practice is technically limited to 20 hours/week, but they don't practice on Saturday or Sunday (that works out to 5 hours a day)
Then there's the study/prep sessions for the next game (Add another hour/day, supposed to be limited to the 20 hour limit but never is)

That puts them at full work days M-F. Plus school. Most athletes take 12 hours in season. That means 12 hours of class over the course of 5 school days.

They get more of a break in the non-season semester, but they still typically have 2-3 hours/day committed to strength and conditioning and offseason work... and then for football, there's spring football, where the schedule is exactly what it is above.

That's why they get pushed into degree programs that are diploma mills, because where, amidst all of that, are they going to find time to take real classes and actually have time to attend them and study for them?

One benefit you didn't mention. Even though they may get a degree but failed to really learn the material, because they are an athletic alumni they will get jobs or promotions in the real world that if they were just John Doe, they would need some sort of merit to receive that job or promotion.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I love the blue-collar, hard workin' white man mentality. Deny people the right to fair compensation, and if they have a problem with it, go work in another country!

I would love to see one of you F350 driving assholes get told that to your face. No pay for you. Go work in Slovakia for a year, and come back then.

It's not about the fair compensation, it's about how they are denied the right to work that exists in virtually every other non-vice related profession.

What's a full ride, all expenses paid, at a power basketball school worth?