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Old 04-05-2018, 12:32 PM   #1
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I had a problem with Tiger for a long time and then realized that he wasn't the problem... The problem is the media coverage. Just like Jack Nicolas, he could be in next to last place and the crews would be ignoring the leaders and focusing on Jack. I felt the same way about Jack. As soon as Tiger got healthy, it's all anyone talked about. If I were one of the other tour players, it would seem like this would really fire me up (assuming that you can get really fired up about golf).

I like seeing good golf; it doesn't matter who is playing. As far as the best that ever played, it's hard to top Nicolas because of his ability to make that late charge up the leader board. Tiger won most of his tournaments while out in front and watching the competition melt under the pressure.

Still a good excuse to take a nap. Even when the big tournaments are on.



Not sure you understand scoring in golf. Make a double bogey ? Guy in next group makes a birdie? That’s three shots. Suddenly. No lead in golf is safe. Tiger feels the pressure like anyone who picks up the driver on #1 tee.
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Old 04-05-2018, 01:10 PM   #2
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Not sure you understand scoring in golf. Make a double bogey ? Guy in next group makes a birdie? That’s three shots. Suddenly. No lead in golf is safe. Tiger feels the pressure like anyone who picks up the driver on #1 tee.
Yeah, I understand golf scoring. I also understand that certain players drive TV ratings and advertisers drive what is shown. My point is that if you aren't a fan of only Tiger or Jack (I was a Tom Watson fan), it's very frustrating for your player to get almost zero TV time when they are fighting for the lead and the popular player is lining up a double bogey and ten strokes out of it.

Dilly, Dilly...
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Old 04-05-2018, 02:20 PM   #3
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Yeah, I understand golf scoring. I also understand that certain players drive TV ratings and advertisers drive what is shown. My point is that if you aren't a fan of only Tiger or Jack (I was a Tom Watson fan), it's very frustrating for your player to get almost zero TV time when they are fighting for the lead and the popular player is lining up a double bogey and ten strokes out of it.

Dilly, Dilly...

I am still a Watson fan.
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Old 04-05-2018, 03:51 PM   #4
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I am still a Watson fan.
Me too! I still think Nicklaus is the GOAT because you need to figure in the number of top 5 finishes Nicklaus had in Majors in his career.

Jack Nicklaus--note the sheer dominance from 1963-1981:


Tiger is great, but he does not come anywhere close to that level of dominance in Majors. Tiger only dominated like that from 1998-2009. Jack had a 9 year stretch where he only finished out of the top 10 in a Major five times, and only missed the cut in a Major once in that same time frame. Tiger never came close to that.
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Me too! I still think Nicklaus is the GOAT because you need to figure in the number of top 5 finishes Nicklaus had in Majors in his career.

Jack Nicklaus--note the sheer dominance from 1963-1981:


Tiger is great, but he does not come anywhere close to that level of dominance in Majors. Tiger only dominated like that from 1998-2009. Jack had a 9 year stretch where he only finished out of the top 10 in a Major five times, and only missed the cut in a Major once in that same time frame. Tiger never came close to that.


Jack won 19. Second in a nearly unmatchable 18.
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Jack won 19. Second in a nearly unmatchable 18.
I’d suggest that Jack’s competition was also much stronger. Add to that fact that he was hauling his family between tournaments in a station wagon and there’s no doubt that he’s the GOAT.

I’d put Bobby Jones in the conversation, but not Tiger.
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I’d suggest that Jack’s competition was also much stronger. Add to that fact that he was hauling his family between tournaments in a station wagon and there’s no doubt that he’s the GOAT.

I’d put Bobby Jones in the conversation, but not Tiger.
Yes indeed Jack's competition was MUCH stronger: Gary Player (nine majors), Tom Watson (eight), Arnold Palmer (seven), Lee Trevino (six) and Seve Ballesteros (five). That is some pretty tough competition compared to what, Ernie Els and Phil Mickleson?
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Jack won 19. Second in a nearly unmatchable 18.
My point exactly. Had he not faced such real competition, he might have won more of those second place finishes. Some of Jack's second place finishes have been some of the most epic battles in golf (particularly the duel in the Sun at Turnberry in 1977 when Jack lost the British Open to Tom Watson).
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