Offense

[Direckshun]

Yesterday, I watched three NFL football games, a rare day in which I was free enough to do so.

The games I watched were Mahomes carving up the Browns defense, Brees carving up the Rams defense, Goff carving up the Saints defense, Rodgers carving up the Patriots defense, and Brady carving up the Packers defense.

Their stats vary and to say that they could do literally anything they wanted on offense would be an understatement, but after watching football for the day, I gotta say, I miss defense.

That's not to cast aspersions on Chiefs football in 2018, which is as good as its ever been, but I've played team sports my entire life, and I've always played defense. Soccer, basketball, football, baseball/softball... I've always prided myself on defense.

I come from the franchise of Derrick Thomas, too. I love a passrusher bending the edge, and press coverage on the outside, and a punishing linebacker smack on a foolish receiver across the middle, a defensive tackle being nigh unmovable in the middle of the defensive line. I love Eric Berry tracking down Gronkowski, Dontari Poe collapsing the A gap, Derrick Johnson jumping the under routes, Tamba Hali's jiu jitsu to shed a tackle. With the endless rule changes, I'm afraid that has been taken from us.

Again: I'm not complaining about the Chiefs 2018, but rather the NFL 2018.

I don't know what to do here, folks. Are we just doomed to lose that aspect of the game at this point?

[Halfcan]

It is the NFL narrative. In the new NFL IF:

You get a legit QB sack and strip fumble like Dee Ford- the Refs immediately take it away to keep the game close.

If the defense pushes back after the offense takes a cheapshot- (Hitchens) 15 yard penalty.

When you sack the QB- you have to hug him now like a long lost friend and hope he does not escape and the Refs blow the whistle ( Jones)

If you try to make a play and roll into the Punter (Packers game) they call that a Personal foul and set the Pats up with a first down even though the RULES state otherwise.

I feel like we are watching WWE and not a legit sport any longer. The Chiefs would be blowing teams out without the help of the Refs. Every game seems like it is scripted to keep it close- and if one team starts to dominate- the Refs will throw 3 ****ing flags on one play, start messing with the spot on the ball and call endless penalties to give the other team a chance.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Is it not a sign of the issue that we're now used to 48 point games being a "good defensive game"?

Not if you watched the game. It was 17-17 with 10 minutes left in the 4th Qtr. There weren’t a lot of wide open receivers and both teams were stopping the run.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

It is the NFL narrative. In the new NFL IF:

You get a legit QB sack and strip fumble like Dee Ford- the Refs immediately take it away to keep the game close.

If the defense pushes back after the offense takes a cheapshot- (Hitchens) 15 yard penalty.

When you sack the QB- you have to hug him now like a long lost friend and hope he does not escape and the Refs blow the whistle ( Jones)

If you try to make a play and roll into the Punter (Packers game) they call that a Personal foul and set the Pats up with a first down even though the RULES state otherwise.

I feel like we are watching WWE and not a legit sport any longer. The Chiefs would be blowing teams out without the help of the Refs. Every game seems like it is scripted to keep it close- and if one team starts to dominate- the Refs will throw 3 ****ing flags on one play, start messing with the spot on the ball and call endless penalties to give the other team a chance.

Double digit victories and blowout wins all over the league this week.

Halfcan: “****ing WWNFL is scripting games to keep them close!”

What a ****ing dipshit.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Not if you watched the game. It was 17-17 with 10 minutes left in the 4th Qtr. There weren’t a lot of wide open receivers and both teams were stopping the run.

Right, but even 17-17 isn't really what I'd call a defensive game if you are looking at the NFL historically. Good defensive game by 2018 standards? Sure. But if that game happened in the 90s, we would be wondering what the hell happened. (And randomly throwing out a quarter to fit the narrative is an odd way to make the argument. Defense counts in the 4th quarter too.)

We've completely forgotten what a good defense looks like.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

It is the NFL narrative. In the new NFL IF:

You get a legit QB sack and strip fumble like Dee Ford- the Refs immediately take it away to keep the game close.

If the defense pushes back after the offense takes a cheapshot- (Hitchens) 15 yard penalty.

When you sack the QB- you have to hug him now like a long lost friend and hope he does not escape and the Refs blow the whistle ( Jones)

If you try to make a play and roll into the Punter (Packers game) they call that a Personal foul and set the Pats up with a first down even though the RULES state otherwise.

I feel like we are watching WWE and not a legit sport any longer. The Chiefs would be blowing teams out without the help of the Refs. Every game seems like it is scripted to keep it close- and if one team starts to dominate- the Refs will throw 3 ****ing flags on one play, start messing with the spot on the ball and call endless penalties to give the other team a chance.

This doesn't even make sense. While I don't care to go point by point, the fact that you suggest that throwing multiple flags on one play is a good way to swing a game but keep it secret is one of the most ridiculous things that I've read.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Double digit victories and blowout wins all over the league this week.

Halfcan: “****ing WWNFL is scripting games to keep them close!”

What a ****ing dipshit.

Eat a bag of dicks!

Did you miss the Chiefs / Steelers game ****head? Should have been a blowout. Same with this week. Browns were gifted several calls that kept them in the game. You said you watched the Packers game- horrible calls against the Pack. What is your explanation for an entire season of ridiculously game changing calls?

Every time the Chiefs make a big play, especially on defense- we have to hold our breath to see if the Refs will let it stand. So it is either being scripted or the Refs are just really ****ing stupid like you.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Right, but even 17-17 isn't really what I'd call a defensive game if you are looking at the NFL historically. Good defensive game by 2018 standards? Sure. But if that game happened in the 90s, we would be wondering what the hell happened. (And randomly throwing out a quarter to fit the narrative is an odd way to make the argument. Defense counts in the 4th quarter too.)

We've completely forgotten what a good defense looks like.

You’re right. The Patriots first TD in the 4th qtr was set up by their defense forcing a fumble. Anyone who watched that entire game and doesn’t think that was a well played defensive game should seriously consider switching over to soccer or some equally shitty sport.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Eat a bag of dicks!

Did you miss the Chiefs / Steelers game ****head? Should have been a blowout. Same with this week. Browns were gifted several calls that kept them in the game. You said you watched the Packers game- horrible calls against the Pack. What is your explanation for an entire season of ridiculously game changing calls?

Every time the Chiefs make a big play, especially on defense- we have to hold our breath to see if the Refs will let it stand. So it is either being scripted or the Refs are just really ****ing stupid like you.

Go **** yourself soup boy. Dee Ford was lined up offsides on the play with the strip sack. The rest of the game was officiated OK.

Stop being such a pussy.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Is it not a sign of the issue that we're now used to 48 point games being a "good defensive game"?

Well, it ended up that sure.

For the majority of the game it was 17 17 in the 2nd half.

I don't think that's any different than games 10 or 15 years ago.

I mean, hell, the Chiefs played a divisional playoff game what, 15 years ago where neither team punted.

[wazu]

If you want to see defense I recommend not watching potentially 6 HOF QBs in 3 games.

[Iczer]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Go **** yourself soup boy. Dee Ford was lined up offsides on the play with the strip sack. The rest of the game was officiated OK.

Stop being such a pussy.

You seem so sure about this. The replays I saw, Ford got an amazing jump and was moving WHILE the center was hiking it.

No flag was thrown, no explanation. It's almost like the refs got together and decided to penalize him for being too fast.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by DaFace

This doesn't even make sense. While I don't care to go point by point, the fact that you suggest that throwing multiple flags on one play is a good way to swing a game but keep it secret is one of the most ridiculous things that I've read.

Ridiculous, like the Pats going the entire game against us with one penalty ( that was not accepted)?

Like Clay Mathews getting multiple sacks taken away on legit hits?

How many big defensive plays have been taken away from us this year?

The NFL wants offense- period. Call it scripted, an agenda or whatever, but I guess we will have to get used to it.

[Iczer]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Ridiculous, like the Pats going the entire game against us with one penalty ( that was not accepted)?

Like Clay Mathews getting multiple sacks taken away on legit hits?

How many big defensive plays have been taken away from us this year?

The NFL wants offense- period. Call it scripted, an agenda or whatever, but I guess we will have to get used to it.

It's hard to argue against this. Look at the Chiefs game yesterday, it seemed like our defense was so afraid to sack Mayfield. Every time they just wrapped him up and started pushing him back.

[Rain Man]

Welcome to NFL 2018, where defense exists in name only.

The key question now is how to take advantage of a world where the defenses are not allowed to play. In this world, the things that are important are:

1. Quarterback. Same as it's been for 40 years since the 1978 rules changes. But now it's even more important. You're going nowhere without a Patri - er, franchise quarterback.

2. Ball hawking safety. In a game where defenses aren't allowed to touch receivers or quarterbacks, I think an increasing importance should be placed on a ball hawking free safety, someone who can play the ball instead of playing the receiver. Turnovers are ultra-important now because a turnover is essentially worth two scores. You're likely preventing one on defense and scoring one on your subsequent possession.

3. I think that small quick corners may come back into vogue. Offenses are going to long, tall receivers knowing that those guys can win a fight for the ball, and if they don't win, it'll be pass interference. So you can't draft long, tall cornerbacks to battle them. The only way to win is to clearly beat them to the ball. I could be wrong on this, but it's a theory that I'll throw out.

4. Running backs who are essentially receivers, and fullbacks. I think we may move back into a mode where there is no classic halfback. They'll all be essentially fourth receivers. Then you'll add a fullback into the mix because defenses will be spread so wide to cover the outside guys.

That's in addition to all the normal stuff like pass rushers and pass protectors. I'm not saying they're the most important things, but they're things that will evolve in the no-defense era.

[Sofa King]

Originally Posted by wazu

If you want to see defense I recommend not watching potentially 6 HOF QBs in 3 games.