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Old 11-05-2018, 08:55 AM  
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Yesterday, I watched three NFL football games, a rare day in which I was free enough to do so.

The games I watched were Mahomes carving up the Browns defense, Brees carving up the Rams defense, Goff carving up the Saints defense, Rodgers carving up the Patriots defense, and Brady carving up the Packers defense.

Their stats vary and to say that they could do literally anything they wanted on offense would be an understatement, but after watching football for the day, I gotta say, I miss defense.

That's not to cast aspersions on Chiefs football in 2018, which is as good as its ever been, but I've played team sports my entire life, and I've always played defense. Soccer, basketball, football, baseball/softball... I've always prided myself on defense.

I come from the franchise of Derrick Thomas, too. I love a passrusher bending the edge, and press coverage on the outside, and a punishing linebacker smack on a foolish receiver across the middle, a defensive tackle being nigh unmovable in the middle of the defensive line. I love Eric Berry tracking down Gronkowski, Dontari Poe collapsing the A gap, Derrick Johnson jumping the under routes, Tamba Hali's jiu jitsu to shed a tackle. With the endless rule changes, I'm afraid that has been taken from us.

Again: I'm not complaining about the Chiefs 2018, but rather the NFL 2018.

I don't know what to do here, folks. Are we just doomed to lose that aspect of the game at this point?
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:18 AM   #31
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Go back to bed grampa. Defense is so 90's
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:20 AM   #32
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It's a pendulum and eventually it will swing back the other direction.
Not if the ratings stay up. And frankly, the NFL's liability for long-term injury stuff is lessened by reducing defense as well.

I think the days of winning with 21 points with any regularity are over. 30 is the new 20.

I pretty much count stops these days. If the Chiefs get 4 stops, they'll win. So you root for individual drives rather than sit there and hope for some shutdown effort.

Those just don't exist these days, IMO. They happen on occasions where you just go out and had that team's number on a given day (the Bengals game, for instance), but no matter what kind of defense you put on the field, You can't count on your defense just standing up and winning games for you anymore.

The Ravens and Cowboys are the teams that appear to be trying that old-school approach this year and I don't think anyone's really all that worried about them - for good reason.
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:26 AM   #33
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You've gotta have superior athletes on D and have them play disciplined.

DJ brings up Dallas, and while their offense is ass, that defense is young and really good.

I think that's the best D in the league. The Ravens just aren't athletic enough and the Jags are in shambles.
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:37 AM   #34
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Just to put some stats to this discussion, I pulled the average points per game (per team) from Pro Football Reference. Not that there's anything magical about the 90s, but the average number of points scored per team per game was 20.15 from 1990-1999. I then looked at the average points per game for this year's offenses.

To cut to the chase, 24 of the 32 teams would be an "above average offense" in the 90s, and the closest team to the 90s average is the Redskins (and Cowboys). So there ya go. Alex Smith would be the leader of a league-average offense in the 90s.
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:39 AM   #35
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That's probably expected DaFace.

I do think the changes in the rules make a difference. But so does the offensive coaching. You don't see a fullback and the I formation just pounding it ahead 25 times anymore.
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:40 AM   #36
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Go **** yourself soup boy. Dee Ford was lined up offsides on the play with the strip sack.
Why do people keep saying this? I went back and watched it on my DVR immediately and I did not see him lined up offsides. That was a bad call.
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:41 AM   #37
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Goff carving up the Saints defense, Rodgers carving up the Patriots defense
Goff yeah - but Rodgers didn't carve up much at all yesterday. I was actually thinking how much better Mahomes looked vs. the Pats.
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:42 AM   #38
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Ridiculous, like the Pats going the entire game against us with one penalty ( that was not accepted)?

Like Clay Mathews getting multiple sacks taken away on legit hits?

How many big defensive plays have been taken away from us this year?

The NFL wants offense- period. Call it scripted, an agenda or whatever, but I guess we will have to get used to it.
Offense sells tickets. But I don't think it is just about that. The rules on hitting the QB were changed because the NFL doesn't want their best players injured. I'm okay with that.
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:43 AM   #39
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Double digit victories and blowout wins all over the league this week.

Halfcan: “****ing WWNFL is scripting games to keep them close!”

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Eat a bag of dicks!

Did you miss the Chiefs / Steelers game ****head? Should have been a blowout. Same with this week. Browns were gifted several calls that kept them in the game. You said you watched the Packers game- horrible calls against the Pack. What is your explanation for an entire season of ridiculously game changing calls?

Every time the Chiefs make a big play, especially on defense- we have to hold our breath to see if the Refs will let it stand. So it is either being scripted or the Refs are just really ****ing stupid like you.
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Yeah, I don't think he was offsides.
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It would be nice if someone could post a gif or pic of the moment the ball was snapped.
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:50 AM   #42
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Yeah, I don't think he was offsides.
I really wonder if that wasn't a "shit, I don't wanna get fired like that dude a couple of weeks ago..." thing.

I don't think he was lined up in the neutral zone either. It wasn't offsides - he timed that snap perfectly. But there's a chance he lined up in the neutral zone. Personally, I'm gonna say that the dude standing up 6 feet away from that ball looking right at it knew better and wasn't in the neutral zone. The camera doesn't tell us because the angle is off-center.

But he got back there so quickly and a ref JUST got fired for missing a scoreboard altering call. So the referee that threw the flag just thought 'shit - I don't wanna be next and he was so quick off the line, he MUST have been offsides...'

I think it was a bad call but not a malevolent one. It was no different than an umpire that misses a curveball because it was just so damn good that the umpire got fooled by it. I think Ford's get off was perfect, the ref was certain he must've gone early and got fooled.
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I really wonder if that wasn't a "shit, I don't wanna get fired like that dude a couple of weeks ago..." thing.

I don't think he was lined up in the neutral zone either. It wasn't offsides - he timed that snap perfectly. But there's a chance he lined up in the neutral zone. Personally, I'm gonna say that the dude standing up 6 feet away from that ball looking right at it knew better and wasn't in the neutral zone. The camera doesn't tell us because the angle is off-center.

But he got back there so quickly and a ref JUST got fired for missing a scoreboard altering call. So the referee that threw the flag just thought 'shit - I don't wanna be next and he was so quick off the line, he MUST have been offsides...'

I think it was a bad call but not a malevolent one. It was no different than an umpire that misses a curveball because it was just so damn good that the umpire got fooled by it. I think Ford's get off was perfect, the ref was certain he must've gone early and got fooled.
Probably, but the flag was on the ground pretty damn early.

I dunno why they can't make a thing like that reviewable.
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It would be nice if someone could post a gif or pic of the moment the ball was snapped.
Here you go, my twitter embedding skills are not good.

https://twitter.com/KSeaboldt/status...354467328?s=09

It was a huge, bad call they miraculously made up. Ford perfectly timed it and was not offsides.
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Yeah, I don't think he was offsides.
He wasn't.
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