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Old 11-05-2018, 08:55 AM  
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Yesterday, I watched three NFL football games, a rare day in which I was free enough to do so.

The games I watched were Mahomes carving up the Browns defense, Brees carving up the Rams defense, Goff carving up the Saints defense, Rodgers carving up the Patriots defense, and Brady carving up the Packers defense.

Their stats vary and to say that they could do literally anything they wanted on offense would be an understatement, but after watching football for the day, I gotta say, I miss defense.

That's not to cast aspersions on Chiefs football in 2018, which is as good as its ever been, but I've played team sports my entire life, and I've always played defense. Soccer, basketball, football, baseball/softball... I've always prided myself on defense.

I come from the franchise of Derrick Thomas, too. I love a passrusher bending the edge, and press coverage on the outside, and a punishing linebacker smack on a foolish receiver across the middle, a defensive tackle being nigh unmovable in the middle of the defensive line. I love Eric Berry tracking down Gronkowski, Dontari Poe collapsing the A gap, Derrick Johnson jumping the under routes, Tamba Hali's jiu jitsu to shed a tackle. With the endless rule changes, I'm afraid that has been taken from us.

Again: I'm not complaining about the Chiefs 2018, but rather the NFL 2018.

I don't know what to do here, folks. Are we just doomed to lose that aspect of the game at this point?
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:02 AM   #46
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Sure seems borderline that he was lined up in the NZ - impossible to tell for sure from that angle.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:05 AM   #47
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Sure seems borderline that he was lined up in the NZ - impossible to tell for sure from that angle.
Even if that were the case, that's an immediate flag and an easy call.

There was not a flag thrown.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:06 AM   #48
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It was a huge, bad call they miraculously made up. Ford perfectly timed it and was not offsides.
Clearly not offsides and clearly not in the neutral zone.

He did move right before the snap, but that's allowed. The only way to call it a penalty is to claim that there was a Neil Smith flinch happening, but nothing Dee Ford did caused the offensive lineman to move. It was just a bad call that had a large impact.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:07 AM   #49
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Even if that were the case, that's an immediate flag and an easy call.

There was not a flag thrown.
According to the KC Star people, who were at the game, there was a flag thrown, although it wasn't immediate. It just wasn't shown on the broadcast.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:07 AM   #50
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Clearly not offsides and clearly not in the neutral zone.

He did move right before the snap, but that's allowed. The only way to call it a penalty is to claim that there was a Neil Smith flinch happening, but nothing Dee Ford did caused the offensive lineman to move. It was just a bad call that had a large impact.
Exactly, only movement Ford did was getting into launch position and timing that snap perfectly.... and his amazing, legal play was awarded with a made up penalty.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:09 AM   #51
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According to the KC Star people, who were at the game, there was a flag thrown, although it wasn't immediate. It just wasn't shown on the broadcast.
Which is becoming a big problem. They're not showing these egregious mistakes by the refs, I wonder if the NFL has asked the networks to try and cover for them?
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:09 AM   #52
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According to the KC Star people, who were at the game, there was a flag thrown, although it wasn't immediate. It just wasn't shown on the broadcast.
I think I remember seeing it on the Browns sideline about 5 yards past the LOS>
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:09 AM   #53
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According to the KC Star people, who were at the game, there was a flag thrown, although it wasn't immediate. It just wasn't shown on the broadcast.

I can't argue that, only what they showed on tv...which was minimal.

How often are penalties enforced without the ref explaining the call? The Chiefs seems to be the lucky ones to be a part of such marvelous officiating.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:11 AM   #54
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https://twitter.com/KSeaboldt/status...354467328?s=09

It was a huge, bad call they miraculously made up. Ford perfectly timed it and was not offsides.
Yup - the referee got fooled by the curve...

Ford just timed that so damn well that the ref made an incorrect assumption. Pretty lousy call.
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Even if that were the case, that's an immediate flag and an easy call.

There was not a flag thrown.
There is a flag immediately thrown by the side judge. You can see it on the replay. It lands like 10 yards in from the sideline and 5 yards on the defensive side of the ball. The announcers and camera crew all completely missed it.
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Is he lined up in the NZ?
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Is he lined up in the NZ?
No.
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No.
I mean, I don't think so either.

I know some times the center will move the ball back a bit when they grab it, but that effectively moves the NZ back right?
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Welcome to NFL 2018, where defense exists in name only.

The key question now is how to take advantage of a world where the defenses are not allowed to play. In this world, the things that are important are:

1. Quarterback. Same as it's been for 40 years since the 1978 rules changes. But now it's even more important. You're going nowhere without a Patri - er, franchise quarterback.

2. Ball hawking safety. In a game where defenses aren't allowed to touch receivers or quarterbacks, I think an increasing importance should be placed on a ball hawking free safety, someone who can play the ball instead of playing the receiver. Turnovers are ultra-important now because a turnover is essentially worth two scores. You're likely preventing one on defense and scoring one on your subsequent possession.

3. I think that small quick corners may come back into vogue. Offenses are going to long, tall receivers knowing that those guys can win a fight for the ball, and if they don't win, it'll be pass interference. So you can't draft long, tall cornerbacks to battle them. The only way to win is to clearly beat them to the ball. I could be wrong on this, but it's a theory that I'll throw out.

4. Running backs who are essentially receivers, and fullbacks. I think we may move back into a mode where there is no classic halfback. They'll all be essentially fourth receivers. Then you'll add a fullback into the mix because defenses will be spread so wide to cover the outside guys.

That's in addition to all the normal stuff like pass rushers and pass protectors. I'm not saying they're the most important things, but they're things that will evolve in the no-defense era.
It was just a few years ago that the NFL was extremely focused on exploiting the Los Angeles market that had shown only casual interest in the NFL.

How better to gain their interest than with "Circus offenses?"

Coincidentally both of those teams are doing pretty well and just might be around for the playoffs, or more.
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I mean, I don't think so either.

I know some times the center will move the ball back a bit when they grab it, but that effectively moves the NZ back right?
I watched it like 3 times trying to figure out WTH they were looking at. There wasn't actually a penalty there.
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